Bard - they broke my job

[SonTensei]

Yeah i thought it was skill speed ======= but havent gotten 60 yet to play around.

Bard is not the same and i doubt they will ever go back to how it was. Well wait you do have the option to go back, but you dont get most of the new fancy abilities.

Going to change my main, because if im gonna be a turret i'd rather do real damage like a caster....

thanks SE you made one of the more enjoyable jobs for me bad. thanks

[Warlyx]

But all endgame bards I ever saw, stood still most of the time anyway. The needless, superfluous movements some bards make, simply don't need to happen. You don't have to be able to run around at all times, the game doesn't require it and SE knows this. Furthermore, most bards have complained about a loss of dps over other jobs for some time, SE gave them the option to have similiar dps to other jobs and the result is more complaints it would appear.

It will be interesting if SE does anything with WM.

if im going to lose the movility that "crippled" my dps for balance reasons (SE never said that was the reason but makes sense ) ....then i expect blm/smn dps at least.

BRD/MCH are considered mages for SE , just the quests and the law gear is a hint (that robe )

We arent asking for melee dps , because melees will be always be top outside niche fights....

Same goes for MCH (they have it worse )

[Crazypluto]

if im going to lose the movility that "crippled" my dps for balance reasons (SE never said that was the reason but makes sense ) ....then i expect blm/smn dps at least.

BRD/MCH are considered mages for SE , just the quests and the law gear is a hint (that robe )

We arent asking for melee dps , because melees will be always be top outside niche fights....

Same goes for MCH (they have it worse )

Hell man I was just in a party with a DRK using DPS stance and he was putting up 900ish single target DPS and 1500ish AoE DPS, Both bards were 700ish DPS and 1100 for AoE, That drk was insane^^.

[Dante_V]

I dont know what planet people came from but good Bards in RAIDS used to ALWAYS have to do alot of critical mechanics since we could move and shoot. Now we are about as viable as asking a BLM to do blue / red fires.

This isn't very honest. You can still move and shoot as the WM can be toggled. BLM have no mobility toggle and it would be a much larger decrease in team dps to get them to do it than to have the BRD/MCH do it. Ranged will still continue the mobile mechanic role in raids regardless.

[Vinestra]

Actually its not a toggle skill that would imply instant cast.

[SonTensei]

This isn't very honest. You can still move and shoot as the WM can be toggled. BLM have no mobility toggle and it would be a much larger decrease in team dps to get them to do it than to have the BRD/MCH do it. Ranged will still continue the mobile mechanic role in raids regardless.

Like Vinestra said this isnt instant like cleric stance or one of the ninja poisons --- this requires you to cast a song (about 3.5 seconds) standing still.

We can drop the song and do the old school bard stuff... sure,. but we also need to stop dps and movement to get back into WM stance. so yeah i really dont like it.

[LucySw]

playing bard since release and i hate it !!!! sooo much!!! doing atm mach bcs its some how suits him but sincerly i want my brd be normal and some new skills

[Mimiru_S]

Personally, I've gotten used to the changes and I'm enjoying my BRD. (And yes, BRD has been my main class since 2.0) I didnt run and jump all over the place, anyway, when I was raid in or in dungeons. So most of the time I was stationary, to begin with, so I'm okay with adding a 1.4 second cast time and getting access to new abilities and an extra 20% potency on everything. The only thing, I would really change, is to make Wanderer's Minuet have either no cast or a shorter cast. So that we can switch between damage and mobility, more fluently.

[SonTensei]

Personally, I've gotten used to the changes and I'm enjoying my BRD. (And yes, BRD has been my main class since 2.0) I didnt run and jump all over the place, anyway, when I was raid in or in dungeons. So most of the time I was stationary, to begin with, so I'm okay with adding a 1.4 second cast time and getting access to new abilities and an extra 20% potency on everything. The only thing, I would really change, is to make Wanderer's Minuet have either no cast or a shorter cast. So that we can switch between damage and mobility, more fluently.

The cast timer needs to go. so you didnt do much mechanics running around in coil in the past?

[Felessan]

Actually, Auto-attacks account for 25% of Bard DPS, so the 20% trade-off is even worse than it may seem. Here's an example of Turn 13:

Old barrage.

My biggest problem with WM - is that even to turn it off - you need to wait for GCD, you can't turn it off as offcd ability. And casting time limits it heavily. I would prefer it to be instacast/offcd switch off ability, thus it will be great for bursting.