Your thoughts on Astrolgian so far?

[Risvertasashi]

This thread should be directed at the Tanks and DPS as they are the ones who are directly affected by Astros heals n buffs or lack thereof. -snip-

People have been asking for support classes. I wonder if AST is SE's way of doing that? We don't have a slot labeled "support" so ostensibly it has to be a healer, just with nice buffs and such. And its buffs seem like exactly the sort of thing that you would find on a dedicated 'support' role in older games.

In line with Acana's post... if people want raw healing output, they should play WHM. If they want tons of mitigation tools and options, SCH's the way to go. AST... needs more time to be fully figured out, I think, but it has a place. Yes, the healers have been made more similar, but they're still not the same.

Then you had a bad WHM, WHM has much higher healing capabilities than the AST does.


A Good AST is better than a poor WHM.

I'll add that WHM has a lead time in almost all of its healing. If someone takes an unexpected big hit (or eats optional damage, as happens so often in the new dungeons), they don't have lustrate nor dignity, and benediction is on a 5 minute CD. Tetra helps but only once they hit level 60.

All that said, Good healer of any class > poor healer.

[AmiraHargal]

Scholar lose their fey glow/light BTW, replaced by Fey Caress(area Esuna) and Fey Wind(3% attack speed increase, much lower than AST's arrow, but area)

[Mhikail]

People have been asking for support classes. I wonder if AST is SE's way of doing that? We don't have a slot labeled "support" so ostensibly it has to be a healer, just with nice buffs and such. And its buffs seem like exactly the sort of thing that you would find on a dedicated 'support' role in older games.

In line with Acana's post... if people want raw healing output, they should play WHM. If they want tons of mitigation tools and options, SCH's the way to go. AST... needs more time to be fully figured out, I think, but it has a place. Yes, the healers have been made more similar, but they're still not the same.

It is.
People are being blinded to death by saying "THERE IS NO SUPPORT JOB"
just because Yoshi didn't spell it out for us doesn't mean it isn't.
BRD is a SUPPORT/DPS but people swear up and down it's not. It's annoying lol.
Maybe we need more time to see how AST is but I feel like we're missing something lol.

[Risvertasashi]

It is.
People are being blinded to death by saying "THERE IS NO SUPPORT JOB"
just because Yoshi didn't spell it out for us doesn't mean it isn't.
BRD is a SUPPORT/DPS but people swear up and down it's not. It's annoying lol.
Maybe we need more time to see how AST is but I feel like we're missing something lol.

DRK is also getting a lot of crap right now but I've seen some potential for it to shine at 60. So yes. Really I think we just need more time to see how things play out and settle. Let the data flow in. Etc.

The only job I'm really concerned for is MCH. Even in the best cases their level 60 parses have been damning and I haven't seen anything to indicate hope so far. But even for them, there could be a key element missing in their not-rotation or something that could change that. Time will tell.

[Kiaris]

AST doesn't have Divine Seal or Presence of Mind. It's AoE heals are good, don't get me wrong, but WHM has a way to make theirs even better, without consuming MP. However, I too have seen a lot of Eos use in progression content, it makes for more forgiving recovery, and I think the HoT power between them and AST would work well together. If the group isn't constantly failing to DPS checks and doesn't need help pushing a phase, there's no reason to jeopardize failing heal checks while learning content for buffs where AST can buff. Then, once the party becomes familiar with the battle, people gradually start to overgear it, and Selene becomes more readily viable, resulting in a buffing storm from both AST and SCH.

Right there.. With your own words.. of why AST isn't a progression healer..

SCH and WHM can both outheal AST. And the buffs AST give aren't enough to give up healing. As SCH could use their pet.

[Nague]

Scholar lose their fey glow/light BTW, replaced by Fey Caress(area Esuna) and Fey Wind(3% attack speed increase, much lower than AST's arrow, but area)

we didnt lose it, its now in 1 skill and we got a bonus AE dispell

[Seryl199]

Right there.. With your own words.. of why AST isn't a progression healer..

SCH and WHM can both outheal AST. And the buffs AST give aren't enough to give up healing. As SCH could use their pet.

We don't know what the heal checks of the next iteration of raids is going to be. I've readily admitted in previous posts that if burst healing is extremely prevalent in Alexander raids, AST is in trouble. I've played some level 50 content next to SCH, and we're able to top groups up without difficulty, I can sneak in DoT's and the SCH still has plenty of room to DPS. Let's wait to see what Alexander is bringing before we call it a wash.

[Kiaris]

Id also like to point out Medica II has a 20y range. AST only has 15y I noticed as I was used to Medica II hitting a lot farther but my AST AOE Hot wasn't..

[kupokage]

Imagine a world without the WHM and SCH and the comparisons stop. The AST heals n buffs aren't so weak all of a sudden. ONLY in comparison to the others does it feel that way. That being said, what do you see wrong with the Astrologian? Whatever your answer is to that question is what SHOULD be discussed. Not this whole thing about "WHM and SCH can do it better. Selene this, Presence of Mind that. Rabble rabble rabble." No one's asking for more burst damage from a SUM because it's fellow DPS, the BLM, puts them to shame in that category. No. So why compare ANY class and use that as basis for tweaks, buffs and/or nerfs. Call out the AST for its lack of potency and fail card system by all means, but do so without dragging the WHM or SCH into the conversation. If you can.

[OpheliaHeartilly]

I'm a career healer in game and love what I do. I'm very good in raids, I learn quickly and can play WHM and SCH equally well. I was very excited to level AST during early access. As I grinded my way way to 50 I kept thinking "It will get better.. just keep going." It never got better. At lvl50 I was 130 and bis (augmented ironworks wpn though) and doing hard mode dungeons (nearly impossible to speed run btw). Between DRKs that didn't spec properly and the weak heals of AST, it was a bloodbath. AST needs help. There is no raw healing power there. There is nothing that impresses. All content in this game should be accessible to any job/party make up so long as it falls within the pre-established SE parameters for the content.