Bard - they broke my job

[FateAudax]

But all endgame bards I ever saw, stood still most of the time anyway. The needless, superfluous movements some bards make, simply don't need to happen. You don't have to be able to run around at all times, the game doesn't require it and SE knows this. Furthermore, most bards have complained about a loss of dps over other jobs for some time, SE gave them the option to have similiar dps to other jobs and the result is more complaints it would appear.

It will be interesting if SE does anything with WM.

I'll have to stop you right there. So you claimed that you witnessed ALL endgame bards in action? and all they did was stood there like a dummy?
Do you by chance main a bard enough to call our movement superfluous?

I find it amusing in every thread, there are always these players who doesn't main a bard coming in and tell us "your class is alright, you just do not know how to play it, lol lel rofl". No offence but I really find it amusing because it's like a boy telling a girl "hey, I know how it feels to have pms but deal with it".

[Malevicton]

I'll have to stop you right there. So you claimed that you witnessed ALL endgame bards in action? and all they did was stood there like a dummy?
Do you by chance main a bard enough to call our movement superfluous?

I find it amusing in every thread, there are always these players who doesn't main a bard coming in and tell us "your class is alright, you just do not know how to play it, lol lel rofl". No offence but I really find it amusing because it's like a boy telling a girl "hey, I know how it feels to have pms but deal with it".

Well he said "all endgame bards I ever saw" actually... :/ So no he never claimed that lol

[Yoruichi4478]

I'll have to stop you right there. So you claimed that you witnessed ALL endgame bards in action? and all they did was stood there like a dummy?
Do you by chance main a bard enough to call our movement superfluous?

I find it amusing in every thread, there are always these players who doesn't main a bard coming in and tell us "your class is alright, you just do not know how to play it, lol lel rofl". No offence but I really find it amusing because it's like a boy telling a girl "hey, I know how it feels to have pms but deal with it".

I guess according to this guy we all eat the damage we run to avoid while dpsing on the move. Nooo we just stand there and take it (sarcasm).

[SonTensei]

Alright so i found this reddit about bard DPS
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._wm_no_wm_and/

This guys seems like a pretty good player so lets look at his number closely.

the WM does in fact increase our dps over the 2.0 skills...

The purpose was because people complained bards dont do enough damage...

However Drg and Mnk have been parsing at 1200 dps over 300 more DPS than bard with WM...
Before say on T13, the monk used to out dps me by like 60-80 (i was bard)

Now the gap is going to be EVEN BIGGER at least 300 dps gap..

So if we have to change our playstyle to do "more" damage but the gap between bard/mch is LARGER than before than I have no choice but to come to the conclusion that SE's design of MCH and BRD in Heavensward is absolute fail.

[Snowaeth]

Alright so i found this reddit about bard DPS
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._wm_no_wm_and/

This guys seems like a pretty good player so lets look at his number closely.

the WM does in fact increase our dps over the 2.0 skills...

The purpose was because people complained bards dont do enough damage...

However Drg and Mnk have been parsing at 1200 dps over 300 more DPS than bard with WM...
Before say on T13, the monk used to out dps me by like 60-80 (i was bard)

Now the gap is going to be EVEN BIGGER at least 300 dps gap..

So if we have to change our playstyle to do "more" damage but the gap between bard/mch is LARGER than before than I have no choice but to come to the conclusion that SE's design of MCH and BRD in Heavensward is absolute fail.

But he isn't very good if he botchered up his no WM rotation so much.

Here's mine in the same thread with no WM on at all.
http://i18.servimg.com/u/f18/14/22/88/02/brd_pa11.jpg

As you can see compared to his WM the WM would actually do LESS dmg.

I can't compare my WM to my no WM as I feel I might get an STD just from turning the song on.

[SonTensei]

But he isn't very good if he botchered up his no WM rotation so much.

Here's mine in the same thread with no WM on at all.
http://i18.servimg.com/u/f18/14/22/88/02/brd_pa11.jpg

As you can see compared to his WM the WM would actually do LESS dmg.

I can't compare my WM to my no WM as I feel I might get an STD just from turning the song on.

Fair enough. Either way --- The gap between BRD (MCH) and the other DPS increased!!!!!!! While the utility ie mobility DECREASED... thats just bad design.

[Snowaeth]

Fair enough. Either way --- The gap between BRD (MCH) and the other DPS increased!!!!!!! While the utility ie mobility DECREASED... thats just bad design.

Our FC MCH is pushing 980 on a 4min parse.

I think MCH actually works better than BRD and just takes some more time to learn. (Not saying they'r in a good spot, just probably better off than BRD since they don't have BL proc's etc which would conflict with their GB)

But yea I'm gonna go back being salty in game.

[SuzakuCMX]

Our FC MCH is pushing 980 on a 4min parse.

I think MCH actually works better than BRD and just takes some more time to learn. (Not saying they'r in a good spot, just probably better off than BRD since they don't have BL proc's etc which would conflict with their GB)

But yea I'm gonna go back being salty in game.

I need someone to teach me how to MCH :X

[Ooshima]

Our FC MCH is pushing 980 on a 4min parse.

I think MCH actually works better than BRD and just takes some more time to learn. (Not saying they'r in a good spot, just probably better off than BRD since they don't have BL proc's etc which would conflict with their GB)

But yea I'm gonna go back being salty in game.

I'm leveling and learning a MCH for that reason. The thing is the level 51-60 part of BRD are awkwardly slapped onto the job, while MCH are being designed ground up. That difference alone would make MCH in a better position than BRD.

Doesn't hurt much learning since they both shares the same gear less the weapon. Depending on each turn basis at least I have another option.

[Panasync]

But he isn't very good if he botchered up his no WM rotation so much.

Here's mine in the same thread with no WM on at all.
http://i18.servimg.com/u/f18/14/22/88/02/brd_pa11.jpg

As you can see compared to his WM the WM would actually do LESS dmg.

I can't compare my WM to my no WM as I feel I might get an STD just from turning the song on.

Is there a reason people keep buffing their DEX with either another party member or a Chocobo? Previously in all of 2.0-2.5 all information was without food buffs or party members unless specifically stated w/dragoon, now people are inflating numbers with party members I don't get it.

Are all the other jobs parsing 1.2-1k using a party member too? If so why?