Gil Toss Ability to drain gil out of the economy?

[Rubicon]

Throw Gil has been in plenty of FF games so you guys don't have to sound elitist.

Maybe it's not the best idea but there's way too much money in the system. The markets need an enema.

[Jieddo]

This is how we solve our problems in the USA, throw money at it until it goes away.

[Ava]

You're assuming gil has no value. The economy hasn't got to a point where gil has no value, so why anyone, regardless of how much they have, would "toss" it for extra damage is utterly ridiculous. Gil will, at some point in this game be much more valuable than it is now. SE will add gilsinks and anyone with gil flowing out their ears are likely waiting for that moment in time so they can bask in the glory of the newest and greatest items on the day of their inception.

Your examples of brand names have literally no application to FFXIV or Gil.

[Azurymber]

You're assuming gil has no value. The economy hasn't got to a point where gil has no value, so why anyone, regardless of how much they have, would "toss" it for extra damage is utterly ridiculous. Gil will, at some point in this game be much more valuable than it is now. SE will add gilsinks and anyone with gil flowing out their ears are likely waiting for that moment in time so they can bask in the glory of the newest and greatest items on the day of their inception.

Your examples of brand names have literally no application to FFXIV or Gil.

yes they do...
if you make the item a judge helm so it looks awesome
and then say it will be the best DD helm in the game for at least 2 years
right there is an incentive to "throw" the gil in hope of getting the best helm that also looks epic.

My point is if they give a good enough item as a reward people will spend money to get it.

edit:
Translation:
IRL People will make money and spend it on elite items like designer clothes, sports cars, etc
Online People will make money and spend it on e-peen items
see the comparison?

If people didn't want the "elite" stuff then why would they spend time saving up money for it? Or why keep the money instead of giving it to many people and making many people happy? If people saved up more than they need and are holding on to it then by logic they are waiting for e-peen gear. so let them have a piece. And i explained how the innate luck of using gil toss in raids would work better as a drain than an npc selling the item.

[Ava]

yes they do...
if you make the item a judge helm so it looks awesome
and then say it will be the best DD helm in the game for at least 2 years
right there is an incentive to "throw" the gil in hope of getting the best helm that also looks epic.

My point is if they give a good enough item as a reward people will spend money to get it.

edit:
Translation:
IRL People will make money and spend it on elite items like designer clothes, sports cars, etc
Online People will make money and spend it on e-peen items
see the comparison?

If people didn't want the "elite" stuff then why would they spend time saving up money for it? Or why keep the money instead of giving it to many people and making many people happy? If people saved up more than they need and are holding on to it then by logic they are waiting for e-peen gear. so let them have a piece. And i explained how the innate luck of using gil toss in raids would work better as a drain than an npc selling the item.

The major flaw in your logic is that said person could achieve that goal without tossing gil. There is no free way to get a Gucci bag, you either fork out the money or you don't get one. In your examples, people can either obtain this item via hard work, determination, and good teamwork, Or they can be lazy and toss gil. It's not the same, at all.

If someone is sitting on 900+ million (some guy from a thread like last week had 940m), do you honestly think they would toss this gil they worked hard on to get an item they could get without tossing gil? They are a hard working person, with that much gil surely they are willing to go through the hard work for it.

Unless of course you're proposing that SE design brand new items that can ONLY be obtained by tossing gil, in which case they might as well just put them on a vendor, which is more or less surely what they will do when the time comes. But at this point that would be completely wasted development time.


Edit: Since you claim to be an "economist" irl, then it should be easy for you to see how impossible it is to compare the real life economy to an in game economy. In FFXIV anyone can be a crafter and make 999 million gil if they really wanted to. Not everyone IRL can be Steve Jobs.

[Alexis_Arteme]

I'd like to see em just arbitrarily cap it at 50 million, then watch em all scramble to buy new accounts to spread it around. Square profits, trolls, and I laugh.

Seriously though, if I earned 100 million+ through methods that weren't acquired by exploiting a not-very-well-thought-out system in the beginning, I'd want to hang on to it too, if for no other reason than capping a bunch of crafting skills some day. As time progresses, the game will only get easier and more casual, and having a lot of money and a sped up, less costly system to craft things would be a great position to be in.

[Seif]

Put in an AH to make players buy and sell stuff. If a large enough part of the playerbase takes part in trading then the economy will balance itself out.

Stop giving gil for completing leves if you don't want this game to be 99% about leve grinding.

Also make gear stats matter more. Completing darkhold in bikinis should be next to impossible.

[Alexis_Arteme]

Put in an AH to make players buy and sell stuff. If a large enough part of the playerbase takes part in trading then the economy will balance itself out.

Stop giving gil for completing leves if you don't want this game to be 99% about leve grinding.

Also make gear stats matter more. Completing darkhold in bikinis should be next to impossible.

Am I the only one that thinks the AH+mailboxes = RMT disaster?

[Kel]

you dont make it so they blow gil. you make the item something like the p-charm of ffxiv. The point is the devs would have to create a big enough incentive for the item. Maybe just make it look -epic-. Like a judge helm.

Azurymber, I agree with you gil sink is needed, but not through gil toss or distribution of buyable rare items.

If you ask me whether I'll spend 50M+ or even more on something extraordinary, I would like to see if this item is really worth the gils I earned. For gears/weapons with quite superior stats and no foreseeable exceeder, then I might consider; for an epic useless judge helm, just to show off, ABSOLUTELY NO!

Although your idea is reasonable, you should know most rich people did not earn and accumulate gils without efforts. It's not easy to keep 100M+ of gils when there're so many places you need to spend. They made it either by spending lots of time hunting faction NM drops earlier, making HQ items, etc. or be saving, or both. I see rich ppl making their own shards, instead of buying from ward. The huge amount of gils they own is not for no reason, and that's why they would think carefully when spending

Furthermore, I do NOT think selling superior items for simply gils is good for FFXIV. That would make the game gil-centric, and no other MMORPGs as I know is that way, because the most important thing for a game is FUN, not in-game currency. A good game operator should reward players who participates most, but not majorly for rich ppl.

In RL, I am an economist too. In my opinion, rich ppl is not a problem for the game because we do have rich ppl and monopolies in RL. It is the operational mechanism of the in-game economy - demands and supplies of items are not balanced. Like I said in other posts, besides making the game more fun, what the devs do should think of is how to fix the economic recession we're experiencing before PS3 release.

[Seif]

Am I the only one that thinks the AH+mailboxes = RMT disaster?

Am I the only one who thinks there already is a RMT disaster going on and the lack of these basic game features is only harming the real players?