Let's talk Gauss/Minuet

[Edellis]

That'll be the case at level 60 too.

You think so?

Empyreal Arrow is a second bloodletter on a slightly shorter cooldown, way higher potency than even Misery's End, and i assume it can be Barraged, which is a 720 potency burst.

Iron Jaws, also off GCD, saves you a windbite/posion arrow cast of reapplying them to be replaced with a higher potency attack. That's a very efficient DPS increase.

Sidewinder, another massive potency attack, maximum of 350 with a minute cooldown, and if this can be Barraged it's 1050 Potency which is easily one of the strongest abilities in this game, on a 60s cooldown.

Not to mention the 20% damage boost on all of these, which offsets the AA damage a little bit.


Has anyone parsed a Lv60 rotation? It may not be a supermassive DPS increase but i highly doubt it's a real decrease by the time you hit at least 54.

[Xaphire]

You think so?

Empyreal Arrow is a second bloodletter on a slightly shorter cooldown, way higher potency than even Misery's End, and i assume it can be Barraged, which is a 720 potency burst.

Iron Jaws, also off GCD, saves you a windbite/posion arrow cast of reapplying them to be replaced with a higher potency attack. That's a very efficient DPS increase.

Sidewinder, another massive potency attack, maximum of 350 with a minute cooldown, and if this can be Barraged it's 1050 Potency which is easily one of the strongest abilities in this game, on a 60s cooldown.

Not to mention the 20% damage boost on all of these, which offsets the AA damage a little bit.


Has anyone parsed a Lv60 rotation? It may not be a supermassive DPS increase but i highly doubt it's a real decrease by the time you hit at least 54.

Iron Jaws is not off the GCD, Sidewinder is off it and therefore can't be barraged (I think?).

[Edellis]

I haven't been able to get anyone to answer whether Sidewinder is affected by barrage or not. I highly doubt it considering the potency, but it'd be nice to know.

[CociCookie]

Iron Jaws is not off the GCD, Sidewinder is off it and therefore can't be barraged (I think?).

Almost right, it's just that Sidewinder's an ability, not a weaponskill (Unlike Empyreal Arrow) so it can't be used with Barrage.

[awesomeuno]

They need to make it so we can use the skills without WM, that would be ideal. frees up auto attacks, while still giving us all these new tools

[Cascadi]

Gauss Barrel is a DPS loss for Machinists even at level 60, only usable for the opener for a small potency increase so other than AoE pulls it's not worth using.

This is really disappointing as level 52, 54, and 60 give skills that we will use once in a single target situation.

pls buff machinist

[SasakiNori]

You think so?
Has anyone parsed a Lv60 rotation? It may not be a supermassive DPS increase but i highly doubt it's a real decrease by the time you hit at least 54.

I have. WM is a dps increase on a full still fight (dummy) and even then not by a lot. As soon as a decent amount of movement is involved (practically every primal or raid) WM is a dps loss. Sidewinder is also not locked behind WM, despite what the tooltip says, so you can make use if it out of stance too.

[AkashiXI]

I have. WM is a dps increase on a full still fight (dummy) and even then not by a lot. As soon as a decent amount of movement is involved (practically every primal or raid) WM is a dps loss. Sidewinder is also not locked behind WM, despite what the tooltip says, so you can make use if it out of stance too.

What is your opener, or rather, do you have a video of you testing out Bard at 60? I would like to know how you're dealing with cooldowns/rotations/move priorities before thinking more into what you said about WM's viability .

[SasakiNori]

What is your opener, or rather, do you have a video of you testing out Bard at 60? I would like to know how you're dealing with cooldowns/rotations/move priorities before thinking more into what you said about WM's viability .

Tried out both Krietors and a standard IR opener. Not really sure about the best opener for WM but I tried a few with blowing all buffs before your dots, weaving your buffs, or a mix of both.

[AkashiXI]

Tried out both Krietors and a standard IR opener. Not really sure about the best opener for WM but I tried a few with blowing all buffs before your dots, weaving your buffs, or a mix of both.

That's exactly why I'm asking for the WM opener, not the 2.0 Bard opener (sorry I didn't clarify). The main reason why is that you're comparing one that's been tested and optimized with years of reasoning behind it, vs. an opener you think is good based upon a few days of trial and error. Not saying you're a bad player by any means, it's why I asked for some video evidence so I can personally see what you're doing.