Let's talk Gauss/Minuet

[Ryaz]

If Gauss really is a dps loss, that might be the nail on the coffin that drives me back to Ninja. I already enjoy the way ninjas combat flows, but I like the concept of the machinist, which is what drew me to it. I'll keep going until at least 50 with it, maybe 60, but it's discouraging.

[Rose-Wild]

It's a dps loss and it's counter intuitive with how many off global cooldowns we have. Might be a bit worth it at lv60 but we already were at the bottom of the dps scale and the expansion barely improves our dps at all when most of the other jobs get a lot of stuff. Also i don't know why we get that lv58 skill when we are a dps job...

[Edellis]

I haven't been able to get anyone to answer whether Sidewinder is affected by barrage or not. I highly doubt it considering the potency, but it'd be nice to know.

[awesomeuno]

They need to make it so we can use the skills without WM, that would be ideal. frees up auto attacks, while still giving us all these new tools

[Cascadi]

Gauss Barrel is a DPS loss for Machinists even at level 60, only usable for the opener for a small potency increase so other than AoE pulls it's not worth using.

This is really disappointing as level 52, 54, and 60 give skills that we will use once in a single target situation.

pls buff machinist

[Romsca]

I haven't started on machinist class but I was wondering if SE's intent was "turret + (specials w/ gauss barrel bonus +100%proc chance) >/= turret + AA + (specials w/o gauss bonus)"?

[Seifa]

Sooooo, WM was announced as a fix to BRDs and their lack of damage because they could move while using abilities and as the stance for maximum dps to turn off only when heavy movement was required but mathemagicians debunked SE's design in just few days... Perfect! They discovered that in a dummy fight is just a slight dps increase compared to instant casts and as soon as you need movements the damage loss is quite a lot and movements are frequent in every dungeon and raid.

Now we have a stance that should used rarely in a fight, with a 3 second cast time (ugh), riddled with bugs (Bloodletter ability lock and Straigher Shot buff not used, hopefully fixed this morning) and that makes the use of our OGCDs frustrating as hell. I wonder if the class design team had any idea on what they were doing or they just slapped abilities at random in our kit and called it a day; i look at you Warden's Paean!

[awesomeuno]

Now we have a stance that should used rarely in a fight, with a 3 second cast time (ugh), riddled with bugs (Bloodletter ability lock and Straigher Shot buff not used, hopefully fixed this morning) and that makes the use of our OGCDs frustrating as hell. I wonder if the class design team had any idea on what they were doing or they just slapped abilities at random in our kit and called it a day; i look at you Warden's Paean!

I was having a lovely debate with an FC member about this. They have been working on this expansion for months, yet we've proven that the DPS is in fact worse than without WM 99.9% of the time...and it took us less than 3 days to figure this out. Git gud playtesters?

[Ooshima]

I look at you Warden's Paean!

And I am still trying to figure out what works and what doesn't on this lol.

Says prevents next detrimental effect.

Casts it and protection up seconds before dungeon boss uses a stun.

Party member still stunned.

Laughs.