Thank you for the crafting changes

[darkstarpoet1]

As much as I want to believe that you can just find anything in the wards to make crafts..the reality is, you can't. I've had to go through so much labor to find/gather/make my own materials so many times, just because one or two vital things I needed couldn't be found in any of the wards in all the cities.

For something like squirrel shoulder guards, you'd think you can find that easily right? Nope..I had to make that myself and it requires squirrel fur, which on it's own requires a lot of materials to make, not to mention I had to join leather working to make it *whew*

So my point is, the wards don't help with everything..I'm one of those that's really glad the recipes will be shortened in the next patch.

but you see this is the same type of item that the people oppose to the changes understand. i mentioned the leather shoulder guards on a post above. i am opposed to the overall removal of the parts because of a few stupid items such as these.

things like a r27 hammer should not need a r40 blacksmith to make the head for it. that would be easily remedied by lowering the level to make the item though and not removing every part because of it. reduce the level required to make the head to say r24. that way if you are high enough to make the hammer you can make the part for it.

that shoulder guard could easily be lowered to a strap of some sort which is a common item and you would not need to level leatherworker for. straps of all kinds are readily available even though they are made by another craft because they are common items. those shoulder guards, on the other hand, are not.

i understand changes are needed and never said i am opposed to change, but what i am against is a complete destruction of a system i enjoy when the only reason for it is a few stupid parts in a recipe.

now my honest question is if they removed the stupid parts like the leather shoulder guard and the r20 synths needing one part that requires a r40 to make would you be so against the system as it is now? i love the changes they are making to dyes, but seems as just those 2 other changes to the system along with improving the mini game to make it more fun would go a long way towards fixing the issues in crafting.

[Nabiri]

no we understand the complaint and especially understand the starting from scratch crafters like the weaver you mentioned at low level needing leatherworker leveled also. it is a major frustration. i would love to see just like on your very list the leather shoulder guards removed or replaced by either a common item like a strap or a weaver item. to me that would save alot of time trying to find that one item because it is uncommonly used, therefore, nobody will make to sell that item due to the low sell rate. that would help the new crafters out dramatically to not have to look for an uncommon item that is made by another craft.

What complaint are you referring to? As I didn't complain about anything, I'm not sure what you mean.
I didn't say anything about weaver needing leatherworker either. Perhaps you got something someone else said mixed up with me.
I don't find that frustrating it all though. I loved needing sub-classes and I think it's too bad that SE is removing those. I think they make things more realistic. Like if you need to make a wooden part, you'd need carpenter leveled a bit. Or need to find a carpenter friend.
I hope they keep it for higher levels or something at least.

to me i don't mind for example the other parts in that synth because sure they look difficult, but the raw materials needed are actually quite low. that was why i posted a detailed list of what was needed a few pages back because some people see that long list of items and get overwhelmed.

That list I posted was only a complete list of different types of items (by that I mean, items with a different name - if there was any confusion) within the recipe. It wasn't only the items you start with because it included secondary items and then what they turn into and so on. I don't think it looks difficult, it just looks like more running around for me personally, since I prefer to collect my own items. So I'd be running all over the place collecting ingredients for dyes, and cotton and turning that into yarn, and all that. Changing classes, and changing crafting facilities, collecting shards/crystals, not to mention dying each part that needs it. I put more work on myself because I enjoy doing things from scratch. I don't expect anyone else would put themselves through as much work when they could just buy parts here and there and not have to bother gathering basic materials such as cotton bolls or something.

But as for the most disputed topic lately - item parts being done away with..
I loved the thought of them. I thought they made it seem more realistic, but I think SE decided it became far more tedious than they had intended it to. And I think that's why they're choosing to be rid of it.
I understand why many people are upset about this, but for me, I think it will make things easier. In the end I don't care how things turn out. So if people want to fight for the current system, they should get to one of the complaint threads and voice a concern.

Then again, there is a part of me that wants to say, "Try the new system before judging it." Then if you hate it, complain. XD
I can't wait to see what they do with the crafting system in 1.19.

[Nabiri]

mmmm yeah the more I think about it, if SE had just did the color change, and the condensing of parts (like changing all the different glues into one glue, or all the shafts into one or two shafts) I would have been happy with that too. But we will see, I am sure it is as Yoshi said, lv1-20 will be "easy" and then from there it will start to get more complex.

Now THAT is one thing that's frustrating. lol >.< What was it, 7 or 8 types of glue?
I'd have animal glue or something... go to make something else.. Nope! I need another glue. @_@

I like that idea.. condensing parts. That sounds much better than doing away with them. Keep some realism, and have less insanity. X3
We don't need so many different types of weapon/tool handles when one would do. :x

[MariyaShidou]

As much as I want to believe that you can just find anything in the wards to make crafts..the reality is, you can't. I've had to go through so much labor to find/gather/make my own materials so many times, just because one or two vital things I needed couldn't be found in any of the wards in all the cities.

For something like squirrel shoulder guards, you'd think you can find that easily right? Nope..I had to make that myself and it requires squirrel fur, which on it's own requires a lot of materials to make, not to mention I had to join leather working to make it *whew*

So my point is, the wards don't help with everything..I'm one of those that's really glad the recipes will be shortened in the next patch.

Supply and demand, have I spoken of this before? Sadly, people don't need hempen robe/cotton robe. I saw many cotton robe of different colours put in wards for ages and people don't buy. If people don't buy finished item at reasonable price (10-15k a pop), do you think people would buy PART of said item? See where is this going?

[CrystalObsidian]

Supply and demand, have I spoken of this before? Sadly, people don't need hempen robe/cotton robe. I saw many cotton robe of different colours put in wards for ages and people don't buy. If people don't buy finished item at reasonable price (10-15k a pop), do you think people would buy PART of said item? See where is this going?

Well not long ago I needed cotton robes and such..when I was lower ranks. But did you ever think that some people like the satisfaction of making their own clothes? That's why I joined weaver, to be able to make my own clothes (or at least know that I could if I really wanted to).

Even if I didn't want to wear the stuff I made, selling it was always nice too. People need parts in order to make clothes to sell in the wards. And if they can't buy the parts, then they have to make em themselves, which can lead back to my first comment to you @_@

[CrystalObsidian]

but you see this is the same type of item that the people oppose to the changes understand. i mentioned the leather shoulder guards on a post above. i am opposed to the overall removal of the parts because of a few stupid items such as these.

things like a r27 hammer should not need a r40 blacksmith to make the head for it. that would be easily remedied by lowering the level to make the item though and not removing every part because of it. reduce the level required to make the head to say r24. that way if you are high enough to make the hammer you can make the part for it.

that shoulder guard could easily be lowered to a strap of some sort which is a common item and you would not need to level leatherworker for. straps of all kinds are readily available even though they are made by another craft because they are common items. those shoulder guards, on the other hand, are not.

i understand changes are needed and never said i am opposed to change, but what i am against is a complete destruction of a system i enjoy when the only reason for it is a few stupid parts in a recipe.

now my honest question is if they removed the stupid parts like the leather shoulder guard and the r20 synths needing one part that requires a r40 to make would you be so against the system as it is now? i love the changes they are making to dyes, but seems as just those 2 other changes to the system along with improving the mini game to make it more fun would go a long way towards fixing the issues in crafting.

Lol I never said I was opposed to the current system either! Just those few things are quite annoying.. I wouldn't mind if they *just* condensed items from let's say shoulder guards, to simple straps. Or reducing some of the ranks required for parts, that'd be fine too. The thing is, I'm not gonna be picky about any major changes coming to this game.

I know that the devs are trying their best to change things to appeal to everyone, and since I want this game to do well, I'm not about to start arguments against their decisions..unless it's something extreme, like turning the game into a bloody FPS or something >.> (i dunno..)

I'm sure there were more reasons to the crafting changes than just "too many parts". But I can understand yours, and other's, disappointment if something you enjoy gets radically changed so suddenly.

[MariyaShidou]

Well not long ago I needed cotton robes and such..when I was lower ranks. But did you ever think that some people like the satisfaction of making their own clothes? That's why I joined weaver, to be able to make my own clothes (or at least know that I could if I really wanted to).

Even if I didn't want to wear the stuff I made, selling it was always nice too. People need parts in order to make clothes to sell in the wards. And if they can't buy the parts, then they have to make em themselves, which can lead back to my first comment to you @_@

There is a very small percentage of people who "need" such things right now. The game is top heavy, majority of people who still play are too high to care about low level stuff, while majority of low level people are speeding too fast to care about low level stuff either thanks to SE softening levelling curve several times. Check the wards, there are robes that can't sell. What make you think that if people can't sell finished item, they should sell parts? Also people like you would like to make it yourself, so obviously you are driving your own need away because unfortunately precisely you don't buy robes that people stop selling parts, hence you are unable to make your own robe. And last time I check, there are plenty of clothes in Lower Tailor Ward section.

No matter what you say, you can't convince me that there is a shortage of low level stuff right now because whenever I search attire in Lower Tailor Ward I have like 3 pages worth of matched items coming up, just for Attire category.

[CrystalObsidian]

There is a very small percentage of people who "need" such things right now. The game is top heavy, majority of people who still play are too high to care about low level stuff, while majority of low level people are speeding too fast to care about low level stuff either thanks to SE softening levelling curve several times. Check the wards, there are robes that can't sell. What make you think that if people can't sell finished item, they should sell parts? Also people like you would like to make it yourself, so obviously you are driving your own need away because unfortunately precisely you don't buy robes that people stop selling parts, hence you are unable to make your own robe. And last time I check, there are plenty of clothes in Lower Tailor Ward section.

No matter what you say, you can't convince me that there is a shortage of low level stuff right now because whenever I search attire in Lower Tailor Ward I have like 3 pages worth of matched items coming up, just for Attire category.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything :-/ our servers must be very different...I rarely find finished clothes on my server..then again I mostly search for cowls, garments worn by non-magic classes. But robes I have trouble finding too, even in the uldah wards where they're splitting at the seams with retainers. (I'm also searching the lower tailors ward, where lower level stuff is usually hiding).

I still don't see what's wrong with selling parts..just the other day someone bought leather parts from my character's bazaar. Who knew someone would need sheep spletches right then and there?

[Aeyis]

The largest reason people get put off from crafting right now isnt the complexity or even the long grind in its own.
Its that their previous experiences have thought them that crafting is a skill or job that you can quickly level besides your class.
Except in FFXIV each craft is a class in its own, and as such it isnt quite that fast nor easy to start creating your own equipment. Just with any other class, gaining something from it requires some effort and time to be spend on leveling and learning how to play the class~

[Celtodeno]

cumbersome is the perfect word for it.

I do understand the original intent of the system but as they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. More specifically, if this game had turned into a smash hit the economy may have been able to support such a "cumbersome" system but realistically it had to be changed.

Hooray again for the new team seeing things more realistically.