Thank you for the crafting changes

[Wynn]

I think the issue is People with time and People without time ! In FF11 you have people who had less because they were either lazy or had lives (Job/kids/School...ect ect) or People who were pimp who might still had one of those thing above or none.

Crafters who are upset at the change is because now the Mofo with one or all of the things above will be able to jump in and craft with what time he or she has before or after (Work/School) or ( Taking care of the family). People with less Responsibility or more time to play worked in game hard for their level ! I understand !!! I use to not have (Job Family or school) but now I am a married man with work/school/wife/ and 3 kids! So I come from ff11 to this game to upgrade in the world in which I think FF14 is a beautiful game, I mainly have 2-4 hrs a day to play if I am lucky on other days its 1 hr. Not alot of time to lv my craft or gather enough money to get pimp! So I was able to get 300k and after getting the 3 gathering jobs / 6 Combat Jobs(1 is shield) / and 2 Magic jobs too Rank10 I tried to get some gear ! I spent 300k getting new hands, feet , legs, body , new fishing Rod, 3 secondary tools for gathering jobs and BAM I am broke!!!

I am sorry the cash cow will soon make things affordable, affordable will get new players in the door and then the higher levels will keep them !

I will say again I do understand why the Crafters before this patch are upset but really it isn't game breaking but I can tell you what is..............................A .............empty................game!

Thankyou for reading and I hope that you guys understand the point of view from a casual player. I am one because I have too many Responsabilities but I want to be able to atleast play the game ! There are always going to be things/gear/or items I will never have with my play time and I understand that, but in game crafting shouldn't be out of reach for those who have less time but work just as hard when they are on!

You are so offensive it is beyond real.

It has nothing to do with anything you spout at all. It is simply a matter of those of us who consider ourselves primary crafters enjoy this system and our content is being reduced. That and a few other major concerns that we really don't need to go into here because they've been talked about over and over again in the other thread. We can't help it if you ignore what we are saying. Don't use the empty game argument. This game is empty because it was released broken and unfinished and basically sucks, not because of parts recipes or crafting. In fact, crafting was the one thing people praised while they ripped SE a new one on everything else.

Once again, you don't understand our point of view because you are not one of us. This doesn't impact you the same as it does me or any other true crafter not already at cap.

[Nabiri]

Ok, perhaps wrong is not the right wording. Basicially, I feel that your post gives off the incorrect implication that the synth is harder and more tedious than it actually is in actual practice.

Ah, no harm done. I was just surprised is all. lol :3 I've never played a game before this one that uses so many items, so for me it was something different. I wasn't implying that it was really hard or anything. Just takes more time than most games if someone were to go about collecting the basic materials from scratch (I include crystals and shards - I mean, I get most of mine off monsters at the moment). And of course I know most people probably wouldn't collect all the items themselves. But considering the thought I was like, "whoa, that's a bit of work."
In any game I've loved collecting my items from monsters and gathering and such, so I look forward to the changes because it would be a bit less work for me. I understand other people are upset about the changes though, for their own reasons.
I won't argue with anyone about that - it's not my place to argue opinion. lol :x For people who don't collect every item as I do, the crafting changes are probably a bigger shock.

For all of us I only hope SE finds some challenge to add to it again. So the majority will be happy.

Edit: And of course there's always the chance that SE will change their minds about going through with this if enough people hate the change. What the majority wants is most important.
I won't mind either way. This change would be better for me than the current system I think, but I won't make a fuss if it stays the same or similar to now. XD

[Mefit]

You are so offensive it is beyond real.

It has nothing to do with anything you spout at all. It is simply a matter of those of us who consider ourselves primary crafters enjoy this system and our content is being reduced. That and a few other major concerns that we really don't need to go into here because they've been talked about over and over again in the other thread. We can't help it if you ignore what we are saying. Don't use the empty game argument. This game is empty because it was released broken and unfinished and basically sucks, not because of parts recipes or crafting. In fact, crafting was the one thing people praised while they ripped SE a new one on everything else.

Once again, you don't understand our point of view because you are not one of us. This doesn't impact you the same as it does me or any other true crafter not already at cap.

I wasn't trying to offend you and if you got offended than you have to grow up a little, its game and its not ment to be taken to the point of anger as you seem to be taken this.
Making the system less work is not making it easy, its just making more cost effect for Crafters to craft more in less time and help open up the market.
Getting the mats like in 11 made crafting challenge, people who were in linkshells who farmed important NMs (HNMs/Kings/Gods) got the items that a normal crafter could not get and would have to pay big for. That is the challenge in my opinon.
As always I hope that everyone finds away to look past this minor effective patch that does not kill something but make it more possible for everyone with lacking time! Its just a game , your not suppose to live in it !

[darkstarpoet1]

Ah, no harm done. I was just surprised is all. lol :3 I've never played a game before this one that uses so many items, so for me it was something different. I wasn't implying that it was really hard or anything. Just takes more time than most games if someone were to go about collecting the basic materials from scratch (I include crystals and shards - I mean, I get most of mine off monsters at the moment). And of course I know most people probably wouldn't collect all the items themselves. But considering the thought I was like, "whoa, that's a bit of work."
In any game I've loved collecting my items from monsters and gathering and such, so I look forward to the changes because it would be a bit less work for me. I understand other people are upset about the changes though, for their own reasons.
I won't argue with anyone about that - it's not my place to argue opinion. lol :x For people who don't collect every item as I do, the crafting changes are probably a bigger shock.

For all of us I only hope SE finds some challenge to add to it again. So the majority will be happy.

Edit: And of course there's always the chance that SE will change their minds about going through with this if enough people hate the change. What the majority wants is most important.
I won't mind either way. This change would be better for me than the current system I think, but I won't make a fuss if it stays the same or similar to now. XD

no we understand the complaint and especially understand the starting from scratch crafters like the weaver you mentioned at low level needing leatherworker leveled also. it is a major frustration. i would love to see just like on your very list the leather shoulder guards removed or replaced by either a common item like a strap or a weaver item. to me that would save alot of time trying to find that one item because it is uncommonly used, therefore, nobody will make to sell that item due to the low sell rate. that would help the new crafters out dramatically to not have to look for an uncommon item that is made by another craft.

to me i don't mind for example the other parts in that synth because sure they look difficult, but the raw materials needed are actually quite low. that was why i posted a detailed list of what was needed a few pages back because some people see that long list of items and get overwhelmed.

the thing is when people step back and look at the actual stuff to make the item you only needed around 10-12 items when the making of the item from scratch was started. now, yes, there is alot of synths during the process, but the original parts are quite easily obtained. that was the only reason for the posting earlier.

the list showed you needed Cotton Yarn, Cotton Boll, Lightning Crystal, Mesa-red Cotton Cloth, Mesa-red Cotton Dye , Mesa-red Dyer's Moss, Alumen, Distilled Water, Water Shard, Fire Shard, Water Shard, Earth Shard just to make Cotton Robe Back (Red).

if you looked farther into it though all you really needed to make that item was 4 cotton bolls, 2 hempen yarn, and go the easy route and buy one dye in the wards. all i was looking at that list tree gave 12 items to make that one item, when 3 was technically all you needed. i was more than anything just trying to demonstrate that although the synth looks difficult is it not as hard as it seems.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

mmmm yeah the more I think about it, if SE had just did the color change, and the condensing of parts (like changing all the different glues into one glue, or all the shafts into one or two shafts) I would have been happy with that too. But we will see, I am sure it is as Yoshi said, lv1-20 will be "easy" and then from there it will start to get more complex.

[MariyaShidou]

I think the issue is People with time and People without time ! In FF11 you have people who had less because they were either lazy or had lives (Job/kids/School...ect ect) or People who were pimp who might still had one of those thing above or none.

Crafters who are upset at the change is because now the Mofo with one or all of the things above will be able to jump in and craft with what time he or she has before or after (Work/School) or ( Taking care of the family). People with less Responsibility or more time to play worked in game hard for their level ! I understand !!! I use to not have (Job Family or school) but now I am a married man with work/school/wife/ and 3 kids! So I come from ff11 to this game to upgrade in the world in which I think FF14 is a beautiful game, I mainly have 2-4 hrs a day to play if I am lucky on other days its 1 hr. Not alot of time to lv my craft or gather enough money to get pimp! So I was able to get 300k and after getting the 3 gathering jobs / 6 Combat Jobs(1 is shield) / and 2 Magic jobs too Rank10 I tried to get some gear ! I spent 300k getting new hands, feet , legs, body , new fishing Rod, 3 secondary tools for gathering jobs and BAM I am broke!!!

I am sorry the cash cow will soon make things affordable, affordable will get new players in the door and then the higher levels will keep them !

I will say again I do understand why the Crafters before this patch are upset but really it isn't game breaking but I can tell you what is..............................A .............empty................game!

Thankyou for reading and I hope that you guys understand the point of view from a casual player. I am one because I have too many Responsabilities but I want to be able to atleast play the game ! There are always going to be things/gear/or items I will never have with my play time and I understand that, but in game crafting shouldn't be out of reach for those who have less time but work just as hard when they are on!

I wonder if you will really like the new system, when you find out you will still 10 x Standard a Synth, 300 Synths a Level. That, is the main problem with Crafting. That, coupled with Recipe Book and unclear effect of almost everything related to crafting.

[Shyd]

I'm for the changes yet i think MORE cloth should be used then just 1 pc. per recipe. The current recipe calls for about 3-4 pc. So would be nice if they kept it like that atleast instead of making it ALOT easier. Even though several more pieces of cloth isn't too much trouble.

[Esk]

1st sorry to offtopic the thread a little but @Mefit Again

You must have missed this, or chose not to respond when i replyed to a very simialr post you made Here.
So i'll give you a 2nd viewing of it, to try and explain why the changes are unlikely to fix what your talking about imo.

@Mefit

You do know you sound like a ... meh not worth it...
Time management is also a thing most adults do or need to learn to do then.
Especially if they have kids, and a job, and a social life.

1st Your making massive assumptions implying people (and me) are not working as we like a system with depth that isn't a instant gratification fix..

2nd wholly missing the point that I would love and am promoting a system to be more casual friendly and less time consuming.
By proposing to reduce the number of items, improve the crafting system so its faster and cleaner and more intuitive, and will allow players to just drop in and out of it.
Unless they what that uber +3, then and only then to make them for work for it the same way DoW should have too.

3rd Your also assuming people will suddenly like the market wards, put those needed items on retainers, not still charge over the top prices, craft low level items, yada, yada, yada...
And if your assumption is right everyone will sell things then were likely going to see a massive devaluation of gear and make those people will large amounts of gill seem ever better off.

4th The problem is unless the new changes up SP and hugely cut down on time in the mini game, they wont change anything much for the casual gamer.
(those poor masses who have no time cos they have a job and a life, oh shi.. wait that means me but.. meh again...)
They still need to find mats off several classes (based on the example we have) or level all the classes needed for that item.
Then craft god knows how many items.

Edit:
Oh and i forgot to say, I hate how long it takes to craft anything atm, it puts me off..
But that's actually more the mini game then the components.. actually its totally that the depth is why i keep trying to have a go at it, i do enough building in EvE.
The changes were getting don't sound like they will do nowt to fix that, just free up some retainer space,

Also if you are not trying to be offensive may I advise learning a little more about English and refrain from posting like a troll.
You have consistently lumped may types of players together under a derogatory title, or with broad based assumptions based on your opinion of others, with no bases for your comment.
To me it seems like your just trying to provoke a reaction or justify a weak argument.
Its as childish as me saying your just a bit slow on the uptake and need to learn to play.

So again how do you know that you have more or less free time then all those in support or against the old system?
On what bases do you see it being more casual friendly when many of the time sinks in crafting look to remain unchanged.
Where do you get the idea crafter are upset?
Or that it is only crafters that are against this?
Many seem to be pointing out that there are viable alternatives to the current issues with crafting that would help more, and allow them to keep the depth of the system.

I could go on but i don't see much point.

[CrystalObsidian]

The point is, almost nobody nowadays going to make a robe from scratch. Nobody. The ward is there for a reason, even if it sucks, you can still find it. Otherwise there aren't 100s+ robe of all colour and material putting up on sale in wards. Otherwise there would be nothing up for sale in ward! And what make it worse is that on Gysahl, low level gears like Hempen and Cotton at 10k ea a piece rarely sell! So where is this problem I heard about that lowbies can't find low level gears because they are too complicated to make?

As much as I want to believe that you can just find anything in the wards to make crafts..the reality is, you can't. I've had to go through so much labor to find/gather/make my own materials so many times, just because one or two vital things I needed couldn't be found in any of the wards in all the cities.

For something like squirrel shoulder guards, you'd think you can find that easily right? Nope..I had to make that myself and it requires squirrel fur, which on it's own requires a lot of materials to make, not to mention I had to join leather working to make it *whew*

So my point is, the wards don't help with everything..I'm one of those that's really glad the recipes will be shortened in the next patch.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

As much as I want to believe that you can just find anything in the wards to make crafts..the reality is, you can't. I've had to go through so much labor to find/gather/make my own materials so many times, just because one or two vital things I needed couldn't be found in any of the wards in all the cities.

For something like squirrel shoulder guards, you'd think you can find that easily right? Nope..I had to make that myself and it requires squirrel fur, which on it's own requires a lot of materials to make, not to mention I had to join leather working to make it *whew*

So my point is, the wards don't help with everything..I'm one of those that's really glad the recipes will be shortened in the next patch.

heh that was the item I had trouble with, could not find one anywhere at all