My thoughts on machinist (Up to level 42)

[Croisciento]

Here it comes people not having machinist to 60 are going to tell how to improve machinist.

For the love of god, parsers aren't updated and we have yet to find out the best rotation for this class. Also we don't know how it's gonna be in a raid environment, so please just STOP trying to tell how developers should change this class.

The "no proc qq" might be a design choice and also might not be a problem, but it also could, for the moment we don't know. Let some time to the players to figure how to play this class.

[Startropic]

Here it comes people not having machinist to 60 are going to tell how to improve machinist.

For the love of god, parsers aren't updated and we have yet to find out the best rotation for this class. Also we don't know how it's gonna be in a raid environment, so please just STOP trying to tell how developers should change this class.

True, it's very hard to tell, even though there was an updated parser, it may not be right. I'm only ilvl116 level 53 atm, but im not that far behind zeta ilvl 130 players, but this guy makes it seems we'll be outright never allowed in anything, which SE wouldnt allow:

However it cannot be outright ignored. But for the most part I am comparing them directly to Bard who is currently displacing them from static raid groups outright.

[SovereignAegis]

Here it comes people not having machinist to 60 are going to tell how to improve machinist.

For the love of god, parsers aren't updated and we have yet to find out the best rotation for this class. Also we don't know how it's gonna be in a raid environment, so please just STOP trying to tell how developers should change this class.

The "no proc qq" might be a design choice and also might not be a problem, but it also could, for the moment we don't know. Let some time to the players to figure how to play this class.

I explicitly waited until I could do raids and I was not impressed.

And with all due respect where is the MCH magically getting numbers? Where are they magically getting utility? The numbers of potency, cooldowns, 5% 90s cooldown 10s duration "debuffs" all speak for themselves. There is no magical place we're going to magically see damage or utility at level 60 pour out of.

There are problems with the class at it's very foundations, I waited to 50 and held off criticism until that point- however it is obvious when playing something is wrong with it. Looking at the potency numbers, cooldowns, etc makes it all extremely clear WHY it felt wrong even when I was in my 40s. The Bard, who shares an unfortunately staggeringly similar role, absolutely at this point in time destroys the machinist with raw numbers and in game practicality.

I agree I want proper parsers and to see it, believe me I WANT to love this class.

But I've already been told I will not be accepted into a static with this class. This is unacceptable that Bard stomps so hard over this class.

[Croisciento]

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Something that people do not really understand is that it's hard to put a higher potency on slug shot and clean shot, because it would mean that if you dont have any luck your DPS would be way lower than if you had some. Some may also forgot we have a turret and we still don't know (really) what's their DPS on a extended period of time.