Your thoughts on Astrolgian so far?

[silentwindfr]

I agree. a good MCH makes great use of it. Then I get a crap MCH and feel like I wasted a buff.....

i play with a friend with a vocal, we coordinate the buff and all, and he ask for it himself, he prefer this at balance buff actually. since less time between CD will be far better than a flat +10% or +15% dps for him.

[silentwindfr]

the two aspected normally must be affected by it.

[Mhikail]

So Nocturnal Sect only applies to 1 skill?
Not much point...and said skill is level 58.

Correct me if I'm wrong, see here:
http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Astrologian

[Mwynn]

So Nocturnal Sect only applies to 1 skill?
Not much point...and said skill is level 58.

Not like FFXIV ever is capped at Lv.60.
The thing about AST is simple, it can take the Role of being the WHM or SCH in the Group with the Stances.
Both have their Advantages, Nocturnal Sect is Damage Mitigation when there is a lot of Monsters around and Diurnal Sect is the Stance where you can Regen the whole Party while trashing Mobs with Gravity or other Abilities.

I have seen so many AST in North Thanalan while FATE Grinding, they use Spire/Balance Buffs on theirselves which is wrong.

I always give up the "Arrow/Spear" Card after drawn, which results into AoE Card Buffs. I had 2 AST's in the Chrysallis Thanks to Trial Roulette with different Stances over the Fight.
Result : The Boss in there just got trashed and the Tear Add didn't need to be LB3'd *lol*

My AST is iLvl 121 btw with a iLvl 120 Orb dropped from Dusk Vigil. Heals are critting around 4.000 ~ 4.400 and MP gives trouble only when I use Lightspeed in combination with Cleric Stance and tons of Gravity^^

[Lycinder]

I always give up the "Arrow/Spear" Card after drawn, which results into AoE Card Buffs. I had 2 AST's in the Chrysallis Thanks to Trial Roulette with different Stances over the Fight.
Result : The Boss in there just got trashed and the Tear Add didn't need to be LB3'd *lol*

Ahhh Chrysalis "1 minute Aoe Balance goooooooo!!!" When I drew the balance card it was like "Thats on spread." before being dragged into the tear I pulled spear and proceeded to giggle maniacally.

they are weak and cost a lot of mana. don't get your hopes up

Iunno an instant cast galvanise is pretty damn useful to use during akh morns/bahamut claws.

Currently people don't seem to get what kind of healer a Astro is, and that is a speed healer, they can react faster and do more clutch heals then either of the other healing classes. I made a lot of people go "Wow" when we were doing the mario kart method in T9 since I popped lightspeed and could use even Aspected Helios, also mana management if properly managed is no issue since I was less oom than I normally am playing SCH.

Exactly, the tooltips are non-existent so I have no idea if it's just not there or?
I'm asking if the SCH effect works on all of what Diurnal works on.

Tooltips are there, it has both diurnal and nocturnal effects explained on aspected Benefic and Helios read the entire tooltip.

[Mhikail]

Tooltips are there, it has both diurnal and nocturnal effects explained on aspected Benefic and Helios read the entire tooltip.

I wasn't talking about the tooltip in game.
I meant on that site I linked. >_>; I wasn't even 50, that's why I asked if it does it or not but I see it.


Edit: In the end, I feel like AST is a support type and mainly played for back-up heals. I think that's how they will mainly have to be played end-game.
Use your cards to back up the other healer and try to help out some heals.
Hope you have a BRD who sings. I'm worried though, really am.
Some of these posts have me really concerned.

You guys thinking buffs are needed?

[LycorisSelunis]

So Nocturnal Sect only applies to 1 skill?
Not much point...and said skill is level 58.

Correct me if I'm wrong, see here:
http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Astrologian

aspect benefic and aspect helios should be affected by it, the tooltips may be wrong though,....

[Mhikail]

aspect benefic and aspect helios should be affected by it, the tooltips may be wrong though,....

Exactly, the tooltips are non-existent so I have no idea if it's just not there or?
I'm asking if the SCH effect works on all of what Diurnal works on.
Also Rez+SC doesn't work as a macro.

[LycorisSelunis]

Exactly, the tooltips are non-existent so I have no idea if it's just not there or?
I'm asking if the SCH effect works on all of what Diurnal works on.
Also Rez+SC doesn't work as a macro.

The nocturnal part of the tooltip sows up after unlocking nocturnal sect. I reported the macro bug in the forum last night. Diurnal and nocturnal also give you stance benefits aside from affecting those 3 spells, diurnal gives haste and nocturnal increases potency.

Okie dokie, here is my level 50 comparison feelings.... I used the same gear on diurnal/whm and the same gear on sch/nocturnal for closeness. weapons excluded of course but all ilvl 100. sch and ast had 30 points mind, whm has 30 points piety (don't judge plz)

My diurnal sect astrologian heals are slightly weaker than the whm, but my spells are all slightly quicker cast. I actually found the potency of the regen aspected helios slightly stronger than the regen of medica 2, though medica2 had a better frontloaded heal...I assume this is from spellspeed affecting hots now. Aspected helios also casts faster and costs less mp than medica2.

my nocturnal sect astrologian had the same casting speed as my sch but had a higher healing potency than my whm very slightly (probably due to the piety points), retaining of course the lower mp costs. helios and succor share casting speed, aspected helios is slower. aspect helios is about the same as succor and same mp cost, aspect benefic is slightly weaker than adlo but also instant. Sch galvanize also doubles on crits, ast shields do not. (at least the tooltip certainly doesn't state it like adlo does. though succor doesn't have that note so idk...)

I was surprised to find out that at lvl 50 ast mp costs were actually lower than the other 2 healers- it sure didn't feel like it leveling up. the lack of free heals from the fairy or highly potent, mana efficient hots to shore it up is what I think may be the cause of the feel of being weak/spammy to me. WHM still has amazing self healing buffs, and sch still has amasing party buffs. ast's self buff seems much too situational-you really don't want to use it in an emergency for something like bene2 spam because of the potency loss, but it's great for stuff like spamming esuna or raising a lot of people. The card buffs will shine the most in a static when you know which buffs affect your members in the most efficient ways.

ash/ast shields don't stack whm/ast hots do. 4 regen effects like double whm sure is fun

it is late and I am tired now.......

[SenzorialBoundries]

AST is very lackluster and while it may be fun to mess around with there is no way ever that ast will replace either whm or sch, you cant match either whm or sch at what they are doing by that logic why would i bring an ast which is meh at both over a sch which is the god of utility and mitigation or over a whm which is the god of group healing. Also ast/whm is much less viable than sch/ast due to losing supervirus covenant or sacred soil (talking bout progression)