XI-2 was released this past September, or didn't you notice?

[Khal_Drogo]

What? Different world, different lore, different story...

Calling this FFXI-2 is about the same as calling FF4 FF3-2.
Or FF13 FF7-2.

They share similarities, all FF games do.

DIFFERENT WORLD?! -Different names, you mean?

Thanalan: a.k.a. Meriphataud Mountains

La Noscea: a.k.a. Rolanberry Fields next to the ocean

The Black Shroud: a.k.a. A greener, crappier version of Sanctuary of Zi'Tah

Coerthas: a.k.a. Lufaise Meadows, Konschtat Highlands, Misareaux Coast -take your pick

Mor Dhona: Looks a hell of a lot like many of the Aht Urghan expansion areas (Mount Zhayolm, and some of the Assault areas, etc.).



The races are IDENTICAL -minus a tale on the Roegadyn (Galka). I don't even know why I would acknowledge such an ignorant claim, anyway. I've indulged you long enough. FFXIV has more in common with FFXI than any 5 FF titles have in common with another. Don't kid yourself.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

DIFFERENT WORLD?! -Different names, you mean?

Thanalan: a.k.a. Meriphataud Mountains

La Noscea: a.k.a. Rolanberry Fields next to the ocean

The Black Shroud: a.k.a. A greener, crappier version of Sanctuary of Zi'Tah

Coerthas: a.k.a. Lufaise Meadows, Konschtat Highlands, Misareaux Coast -take your pick

Mor Dhona: Looks a hell of a lot like many of the Aht Urghan expansion areas (Mount Zhayolm, and some of the Assault areas, etc.).

You're really reaching.

[Khal_Drogo]

You're really reaching.

I don't think it's reaching at all. Does it say in the MMO Bible that grass has to be green, sky has blue, trees have to have brown trunks with pretty green leaves? Do desserts have to be reddish-tan? Do rocks have to be grey? No, they don't...You know what would be a reach? -Trying to compare FFXIV's world to any other FF other than FFXI.

[NaBluiri]

DIFFERENT WORLD?! -Different names, you mean?

Thanalan: a.k.a. Meriphataud Mountains

La Noscea: a.k.a. Rolanberry Fields next to the ocean

The Black Shroud: a.k.a. A greener, crappier version of Sanctuary of Zi'Tah

Coerthas: a.k.a. Lufaise Meadows, Konschtat Highlands, Misareaux Coast -take your pick

Mor Dhona: Looks a hell of a lot like many of the Aht Urghan expansion areas (Mount Zhayolm, and some of the Assault areas, etc.).



The races are IDENTICAL -minus a tale on the Roegadyn (Galka). I don't even know why I would acknowledge such an ignorant claim, anyway. I've indulged you long enough. FFXIV has more in common with FFXI than any 5 FF titles have in common with another. Don't kid yourself.

Yeah, different world. While they may share similarities (depending on how hard you squint your eyes to see them), they are NOT the same thing. They have their own lore and own designs.

As for the races they did that to lure in FFXI players, but these races have entirely different back stories to the old ones. Including clans. Different gods, etc.
I mean by that logic FFXIV is just FF8-2 because it has humans in it! And Marlboro!
And Summons! And black magic! And white magic! And a "worlds gonna end" storyline! And gunblades!

Or it's like FFVI because it has magitek!
Or like FFVII because it has materia and meteor!
Or like FFXII because it has guys who look like judges!
Or like FF tactics because of how the job system works!

FFXIV borrows from ALL the games pretty much, just like EVERY OTHER final fantasy game.

Like I said before: ALL FF games share similarities. That doesn't make them the same damn thing.

Honestly I would say if anything, the game world reminds me more of Final Fantasy 12 than 11.

P.S. I played FFXI from 2005-2011.

I had friends who tried FFXIV and LEFT because they felt it was TOO different from XI.

[whoopeeragon]

DIFFERENT WORLD?! -Different names, you mean?

Thanalan: a.k.a. Meriphataud Mountains

La Noscea: a.k.a. Rolanberry Fields next to the ocean

The Black Shroud: a.k.a. A greener, crappier version of Sanctuary of Zi'Tah

Coerthas: a.k.a. Lufaise Meadows, Konschtat Highlands, Misareaux Coast -take your pick

Mor Dhona: Looks a hell of a lot like many of the Aht Urghan expansion areas (Mount Zhayolm, and some of the Assault areas, etc.).


The races are IDENTICAL -minus a tale on the Roegadyn (Galka). I don't even know why I would acknowledge such an ignorant claim, anyway. I've indulged you long enough. FFXIV has more in common with FFXI than any 5 FF titles have in common with another. Don't kid yourself.

Very well. By your same standards, FFXIV could potentially be a FFXII-2, since Thanalan is very close to the Dalmasca Estersand and Westersand. Or perhaps a FFX-3, since it is very similar to Bikanel Island deserts. Or how the Black Shroud bears similarities to Kilika forest, therefore, FFXIV should be renamed FFX-3. Oh wait, Balamb fields was next to an ocean as well. Therefore, as La Noscea bears similarities to Balamb fields, FFXIV should be renamed FFVIII. Oh no, Coerthas seems to resemble the Archytle Steppe! Therefore, this should be a FFXIII-3! But wait, Mor Dhona resembles Dream's End mashed with Mushroom Rock, so it's closer to a FFX-3!!!

So what should FFXIV be? FFX-3? FFXII-2? FFXIII-3? FFVIII-2? Take your pick.

Races are identical in structure and physical appeal, yes. But in terms of lore? Gender? We already have 3 more genders confirmed, and there is a new race already. And more are to come. Are you saying that, to turn this into a FFXI-2, let us scrap the new class (I don't know the name, the one with horns) and remove all future races which we can have, remove the genders which have been confirmed, continue making Miqo'te females the powerhouse of their race, and make Roegadyns start reincarnating? No thanks.

And by your same logic, why not have named Final Fantasy Tactics A2 into FFXII-2? It has the same races, landscapes and lore. It even had the same bloody characters.

Face it, there are similarities among areas throughout the entire FF series. Because FFXI just happens to share plenty of them, through, may I say, EXPANSIONS which heavily decrease the originality of which future games, especially MMO's, can produce since those ideas most likely have been taken, I'm sure you can potentially see through the similarities. Besides, the only similarities which you have produced which are limited to FFXI are only PHYSICAL. Nothing in terms of the game mechanics is overly unique to both FFXI or FFXIV throughout the FF series, and there are some in which FFXIV is purely unique in.

There are differences; our battles and armoury system should be a glaring drive-through into that. We have the market wards; I don't think that there are retainers standing around Jeuno waiting for someone to poke them. FFXI had 6 basic jobs, 3 mage, and 3 melee. FFXIV has 7 basic classes, 2 mage, 5 melee. We have the Battle Regimen, which allows for additional benefits from party members attacking at the same time. We can incapacitate our enemies, doing additional damages to various part of an enemy's body. Guildleves are also a different concept which separates the daily grind of FFXI into open-world instances in FFXIV.

The lore, mythology and context are different; FFXI was set in a more medieval time span, with a mix of folk areas and out-of-this world places which require more people to study alienism as treatment for some mental damage, while FFXIV is set in a more modern environment, with technology much more rampant and magic not being overly the focus. The beastmen have totally different story to them; instead of being the opposite of the 5 races, created to torment the races of FFXI, they instead where already present in Eorzea, and merely worship their own primal. Primals are also different, being the essence of the energy in the crystals instead being the 'sleeping gods' as they were in Vana'diel.

And one thing, Khal. You mentioned you didn't like the armoury system because it lacked job uniqueness, and you also disliked the fast-pacing of the battles. Is it really necessary to change these things to the way FFXI was in order to suit your preferences?

No.

People have different likes and dislikes, and I happen to like the fast-paced battles as well as the option to pick and choose abilities I desire to be on my class. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this boat, but that's what makes this game appealing to us...or me at least. I like the armoury system, and the choice of freedom around our classes. And if you haven't noticed already, there have been several new measure to create class uniqueness. Conjurer and Thaumaturge are two glaring examples; Raise and Rebirth etc on Conjurer, the insane damage boost to Thaumaturge. And to further increase uniqueness, we have the job system coming in.

Battles too fast? Nothing we can do about that. You surely must have hated FFXIII then for having battles with target times of 10 seconds or something like that. I kind of like this face-paced battle; and it's NOT as spammy as you think it is.

So, basically the message I'm trying to get to you across; not everyone wants a new FFXI. Sure, we can take certain aspects from FFXI, but we also took aspects from other games. Why not name this game Final Fantasy World of Diablo XI + III - 3? That's ok; taking the good parts of a game and putting them into a new one is fine. But renaming it and turning it into a sequel numbered entry is taking it too far. This game, in my eyes, is never a XI-2, and never will be. It will draw elements from FFXI due to it being the only lasting MMO SE have done, and I expect it to draw elements from past Final Fantasy games to live up to it's FF title. But I also expect it to be original in it's execution (which it has to an extent) and unique when it rises to a polish (which it is in the process of).

Sorry for wall of post, and apologies to anyone I may have offended.

Oh and....

Wanna know something else? The majority of the changes that have been made were inspired by the FFXI crew, and Yoshi-P's genius. So, stop being close-minded, and acknowledge the obvious fact: XI was great; XIV can be better, but it needs to draw off of XI in order to do so.

The person who kind of threw FFXIV into the mess it was now was the creator of FFXI, and some members of the old team before it got restructure also came from FFXI. So I wouldn't say that the changes would have been all totally inspired by the FFXI crew. I've noticed that a few of the FFXII staff have crept in as well.