Raid runs and gear drops

[Washuu]

Rogue.... Knight? Are you batman?

[Scape]

There are monsters in corners and dead-ends in that place which have absolutely no point of even going to

meh, the place is really good exp if you are not 50 yet. You can kill for the whole hour straight and not run out of stuff to kill. I have killed everything on the first floor plenty of times.

[Grimoire]

It will probably get easier and faster once jobs are added.

[Tezz_Xivectro]

I can't wait for jobs to come and dispel all these unrealistic "requirements" the community has been forcing on each other because of how unbalanced & annoying this dungeon was designed.

Gladiator has it hard. Some people even "requiring" Cure 3 (See: CON/THM R48 + many other classes) to even participate. I don't mind leveling certain classes to 20-25, but needing much higher than that (let alone multiple classes) will drive everyone away from this game. Not everyone wants to level everything, SE better address this quick.

[Kraggy]

SE better address this quick.

How do you propose SE 'address' elitist jerks and their asinine 'requirements'?

[Raze]

Gladiator has it hard. Some people even "requiring" Cure 3 (See: CON/THM R48 + many other classes) to even participate. I don't mind leveling certain classes to 20-25, but needing much higher than that (let alone multiple classes) will drive everyone away from this game. Not everyone wants to level everything, SE better address this quick.

I agree with this statement.

[Corrderio]

It will probably get easier and faster once jobs are added.

Which we don't even have an ETA on

[Nero]

The logic being used in this thread is that going in with ARC/CNJ is easy mode... No, it's smart mode.

This is why I've cleared it in less then 25mins... This is why anyone who hasn't, hasn't.

Biggest BS, i have ever heard. You can do that with a normal Setup. If you cant do that, you obviously fail.

ARC/CNJ Speed Runs ARE Easy Mode, while a skilled Group can do it with a Setup like: 1 Tank, 3 Mages, 4 Melee's ( ARC, LNC, PGL, MRD ). You dont... i repeat.. You DONT have to ARC/CNJ Speed Run a Dungeon to obtain all 5 Chests, it is obviously possible with a normal Group.

To make this clear:

Do you really think SE made the Dungeons like:

Hey lets make it a way where only a Group with 5+ ARC, or 5+ CNJ can do it.

No, they of course did not. SE have said before they released Dungeons: they will be hard to be cleared. And ARC, CNJ Runs are not hard. So that is not the way its meant to get done.

[HiirNoivl]

I will explain this clearly. There is nothing preventing you or anyone from completing the dungeon within the 25minute time frame. People who are lazy make up excuses to help them sleep at night to hide the fact they just don't want to become better.

This goes for everyone complaining! Tezz, you say you're willing to level everything to 25 but you never touched archer. Any reason why?

The OP's completed all the quests but hasn't defeated Batraal. I wonder how many times he's even tried speed runs. Batraal is not hard, the ogre can be killed in less than 7 mins. If you speed run through the rest of it and don't mind skipping a few other things, you can get the "speed" prize every time.

[Galka75]

semi agree whit this.... i like to see a game where the skill of the tank is important. adn the skill of the entire party, healers, DDs, supports (not supports right now). But it is true the fact of "must-have" certain subabilitys or you will screw all is a lot os elitist. Ok, is good a guy whit dedicate more time to the game can be "stronger", ok whit taht... but this will making in a "must" for do it right. and that's not good

I.E: a gladiator 50, whit not other classes rised, only glad... will not be able to tank propely the ogre. becouse he can't hold enmity whiout taunt (taunt II for better) not cures and sacrifices to help to hold enmity aswell (cure II and III for better) he won't have defender (denfender II for better) no decoy, no featherfoot, no etc etc etc... so. what's the point of a game that not encorage you to rise all job.. almost force you to rise a lot of job untill you can tank propely on a raid...

i ask SE for a balanced game. where a gladiator 50 whit no subabilitys can tank barely (at least) a Boss. and whit all those extras abilitys make you a better tnak for sure. but remove the necesity of all those abilitys to be a "decent" tank, not a good one.

i ask revision to provoke potency for example. the posibility of hold enmity whit the gladiator's abilitys and no more. for example an increase of potency of provoke but increasing his CD. so remove the need of spaming provoke and let us gain enmity whit more dmg too.