Pay for your inventory.

[Mhikail]

I really hope the producers listen to their player base on this one. The whole thing just gives me a bad taste in my mouth. Also, I've never heard any other game talk about having so much problems with data storage before. I don't understand why this is such a big problem.

You give them an inch, they take a mile.
This is what happens when you kept asking for crap in Mog Station because
OF COURSE they'll put it in Mog Station...Now some people here are seeing the wrong in it
and having second thoughts. Far too late now friends.
Sometimes you have no choice but to hold the MOG flag because otherwise they don't listen.

Edit: I mean you in general, not you yourself Owatatsumi.

[Owatatsumi]

Crap...didn't know I was forced to pay for extra retainers. Did not see this gun pointed at me to buy it. Woah...SE took me by surprise there.

There is no gun but the fact remains that SE is charging money for a basic feature that should be included in the game and covered by the sub we already shell out each month. In addition to this with an expansion, and the increase in items that come with it, it is customary for games to give players increased storage as part of the purchase. Are they forcing us? No but they aren't delivering on what has come to be expected and the norm for MMO expansions and aren't treating their customers very well by doing so. Just because they aren't "forcing" you to do something, doesn't mean they aren't manipulating the situation to make it more likely you pick a certain result. Storage in a game, especially like an MMO is a big quality of life thing and is important to a lot of people.

[Owatatsumi]

You give them an inch, they take a mile.
This is what happens when you kept asking for crap in Mog Station because
OF COURSE they'll put it in Mog Station...Now some people here are seeing the wrong in it
and having second thoughts. Far too late now friends.
Sometimes you have no choice but to hold the MOG flag because otherwise they don't listen.

I agree, which is why I cringed when people kept asking for Fantasia in there. Nothing should be in the Mog Station besides your subscription and maybe extra eternal bond packages. I've been against it since the start and can't agree more though I'd like to be optimistic against all hope if enough people complain they'll do away with some of it and stop this slippery slope. Unfortunately I was quite busy in my life outside of the game when they first started the shenanigans so I wasn't able to address it and voice my opinion at the start.

[SDaemon]

for a basic feature that should be included in the game and covered by the sub we already shell out each month.

Whats this? Are my 2 retainers supplied by SE as part of the game figments of my imagination? O.O

Storage will always be an issue for those that choose to horde. Even if SE gave us an extra free retainer, or even 10, it will only be a matter of time till certain players max out that space as well.

[Hyouretsuzan]

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Oh, I'm sure what you said is valid. I just can't seem to care enough. For starters, people will not have the same state as mind as you. You want SE to stop charging for additional services? Simple solution would be to show it to them. Say it on the forums, or just not make any purchases. But just like how there are people like you who share similar opinions, there are those that simply relish in the fact to pay extra money for optional items. From what I gathered from this thread is that people are dissatisfied that they HAVE to pay extra for storage space. Soo....even though you don't like it, you're still gonna buy the service? That will tell SE. My stance in optional pay stuff is neutral. If it gets too absurd, I will bounce ship. For now? I'll see how this will go. But keep in mind that there are people that will always buy items. Think SE wants to lose that extra cash flow?

[seida]

I'm honestly curious... people who have more than 2 retainers, what are you even storing on them? I ask because I have multiple gear sets (every single available set for DRG minus a few pieces here and there plus a bunch of sets for other jobs), multiple weapons (Primal & Coil), dyes (all of the retainer venture ones), glamour gear, rare/expensive crafting mats, and various and sundry other things on mine and I still have plenty of space left.

Then you don't have as much as you think? I have one retainer entirely filled with weapons and gear for potential glamours, and one entirely filled with mats. It's not exactly difficult.

[BreathlessTao]

SE designed these systems, specifically glamour which didnt need to use inventory, to consume inventory spaces and with each update and expansion the available maximum inventory remains the same while the number of usable items increases in addition to glamour armor which according Live Letters the developers and Yoshi P are totally into and behind. So much that they design items SPECIFICALLY for glamour then yes, they need to take this issue seriously.

This. Seriously, it's just the same as Miqo'te and now Au Ra with their tails, like, "well we have these races available for you but we don't really care about accomodating their body features, so have your tails clipping through 95% of all the clothes/armour!"... (yeah, different scale, different problem, but the core is the same)

Sure, take them into account, and ignore them when appropriate.

Too many games have been ruined by short-sighted "paying customers" who just want what they want and don't understand or respect the reasons why their wishes are a bad idea. Want a win button, anyone? Or direct purchase of gil from SE with $$$? Yeah, some paying customers wish for those things.

Stick to your vision, Yoshida-san, your track record speaks louder than all the choruses of "gimmee gimmee gimmee" on the internet. I have faith in you because I beleive you love this game at least as much as any of us do; it's your masterpiece, after all. I look forward to wherever you choose to take us.

...hoooooooly Menphina, do you actually hear what you're saying?? (Well, see what you type?) White knight in the shiniest of armours, if I've ever seen one.

And how many - not even games, but entire franchises have been ruined by short-sighted "money money money" corporate suits who just wanted to see their profits climb? Want a win button or direct purchase of gil from SE with $$$? Yeah, the road we are on now leads to those things. Because some people, people like you, will defend everything SE does and don't mind being double-dipped and spending money on things they should not be spending money on.

For the record, I do love Yoshi and I have such huge respect for him. He did do amazing things to this game, even after and beyond "simply" turning it around from the mess of 1.0. I also love him as a person, I love how he's this #1 man of such a huge game, yet is completely chill and dresses like some half-blood j-rocker. But certain company decisions he went ahead with (or had to go ahead with) just made me not want to believe what he says anymore, and be apprehensive about everything he announces. The way housing was handled - see my signature, and see how it turned out - first break of trust. Then the Eternal Bonding thing, most of the coolest stuff gated behind a paywall - second break of trust. And now this - being told time and time again how problematic increasing inventories is, and then this sort of reveal of how they really have no issues with it actually - third break of trust. For someone who's admittedly so aware of the trust lost with 1.x and wanting to re-build it so badly, these are some very ... interesting steps he's taken. And I'm not at all convinced they fit into that vision. Sure I still want to believe, and I do still stick around, because I do believe, but I'm just more and more scared of this path we've been walking with this game for a while. It was mentioned somewhere, I think, that they're "testing the waters" of how far they can go with extra charges (ie. cash shop and its equivalents) - if we never voice our dislike, if we just passively accept everything they charge us extra for, they'll never stop "testing the waters", they'll just continue to throw us in deeper and deeper (cess)pools.

[Sho86]

Storage will always be an issue for those that choose to horde.

Funny, wasn't a problem for me in XI, or WoW, or GW2, or any other game I invested a decent chunk of time into. I was always able to keep what I gathered and save for what I use in crafting. They gave us the ability to use all crafts/gathers/jobs in this game; it is not unfair to ask for the storage space to match.

[LunaHoshino]

Then you don't have as much as you think? I have one retainer entirely filled with weapons and gear for potential glamours, and one entirely filled with mats. It's not exactly difficult.

But why do you need an entire retainer for mats? The only mats I keep around are the rare/expensive ones that aren't easily obtained. Otherwise, I just buy what I need off the MB, craft whatever it is I wanted to craft, and then resell the rest. I don't keep mats precisely because they're a huge waste of inventory space when I can just go buy what I need when I need it.

[Darkshade]

This. Seriously, it's just the same as Miqo'te and now Au Ra with their tails, like, "well we have these races available for you but we don't really care about accomodating their body features, so have your tails clipping through 95% of all the clothes/armour!"... (yeah, different scale, different problem, but the core is the same)




...hoooooooly Menphina, do you actually hear what you're saying?? (Well, see what you type?) White knight in the shiniest of armours, if I've ever seen one.

And how many - not even games, but entire franchises have been ruined by short-sighted "money money money" corporate suits who just wanted to see their profits climb? Want a win button or direct purchase of gil from SE with $$$? Yeah, the road we are on now, leads to those things. Because some people, people like you, will defend everything SE does and don't mind being double-dipped and spending money on things they should not be spending money on.

For the record, I do love Yoshi and I have such huge respect for him. He did do amazing things to this game, even after and beyond "simply" turning it around from the mess of 1.0. I also love him as a person, I love how he's this #1 man of such a huge game, yet is completely chill and dresses like some half-blood j-rocker. But certain company decisions he went ahead with (or had to go ahead with) just made me not want to believe what he says anymore, and be apprehensive about everything he announces. The way housing was handled - see my signature, and see how it turned out - first break of trust. Then the Eternal Bonding thing, most of the coolest stuff behind gated behind a paywall - second break of trust. And now this - being told time and time again how problematic increasing inventories is, and then this sort of reveal of how they really have no issues with it actually - third break of trust. For someone who's admittedly so aware of the trust lost with 1.x and wanting to re-build it so badly, these are some very ... interesting steps he's taken. And I'm not at all convinced they fit into that vision. Sure I still want to believe, and I do still stick around, because I do believe, but I'm just more and more scared of this path we've been walking with this game for a while. It was mentioned somewhere, I think, that they're "testing the waters" of how far they can go with extra charges (ie. cash shop and its equivalents) - if we never voice our dislike, if we just passively accept everything they charge us extra for, they'll never stop "testing the waters", they'll just continue to throw us in deeper and deeper (cess)pools.

The things this man/woman say are important. Listen to this guy.