supervirus more impactful than proshell

[Ghishlain]

I'm not trying to undermine the strength of SCH, and of course I might be wrong, but I can't imagine that situation in Turn13 given both have the same skill and capable group.
Still, like Grishlain said HP/S (and I would say overheal to an extend) is not really a factor to judge by. Even after counting out possible parser errors it's heavily reliant on overall group performance as well and you can only heal as much as damage is incoming.

WHM still has top throughput. You'll see similar numbers because of 1. HoT inflations (very powerful over time, but not immediately) and 2. It's the whole encounter. Potential HP/S for an encounter, unlike DPS, is not uncapped. If you heal less, the WHM heals more. If you heal about 1000 hp/s worth, then the WHM scales back because more healing isn't needed.

Again, a SCH can't handle Flames of Rebirth spam alone. Or t2/t4 enrage back when those were things. Or remember titan hm/ex back when they were current, hm in particular, if the group took too long you would get a lot of stomps. We have echo and vastly out gear it now but that used to be medica-only territory.

I'll stop using HP/S then. WHMs have the highest potential throughput. ...And with SCH AoE and single-target burst being gated by aetherflow that may well remain the case, even if the job is stronger in AoE come the expansion.

I'm just glad we can have a meaningful discussion about all this without it devolving into some random name calling fest that this forum is prone for =p

In terms of HPS, yes, there are a lot of factors that can affect it. Note that I mentioned when both of us were out putting 1.2K HPS, we were both getting used to the fight and progressing through it. In total that HPS will be slightly inflated because it takes place during P1 and P2 where there is heavy healing involved. Those values would obviously drop once we were able to account for P3 because P3 healing is incredibly light compared to the prior two phases. With that being said, I still stand by my point that my HPS should never match my WHMs HPS (it probably does help that T13 does feel perfectly structured for Whispering Dawn usage as most raid attacks are slightly over a minute apart) and in part that probably will inflate my number more.

I also understand that every fight will require different compositions and strategies because they are, well different fights. Like how T2 enrage required double WHM, Flames of Rebirth is better for WHMs than it is for SCHs, Odin trial is better for WHMs than it is for SCH; likewise double SCH composition works well for other fights like all of BCoB outside of T2 enrage or double SCH for single tank Ramuh EX. In this particular case, it may just be because of how perfectly structured T13 is for SCH and their cooldowns, putting the spot light on SCHs power.

Though in the end, this discussion is all moot because we're getting EA Heavensward on Friday and servers will be down tomorrow, lol. Though I do enjoy the riveting discussion. *Offers tea to everyone so we can continue the discussion*

PS, why does no one know how to spell my name right? >>;... lol~

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Turn 12 SCH solo heal. NO ECHO.

This is a unique scenario in the healing world of raids because the heal check for T12 becomes EASIER the higher your DPS goes, specifically when you're reaching the threshold that allows you to reduce the amount of Bennus you have to deal with. Higher DPS means significantly less time in the Bennu phase and thus less Flames of Rebirth to deal with.

The scenario Risvertasashi was speaking of in his example is if a healer dies or d/cs just before P3 starts so now you have one healer solo healing it with only four DPS and probably four Bennus in pre-echo state. That would be much harder to handle on a SCH versus a WHM (though I don't think it'd be impossible).