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    Quote Originally Posted by FrejyaAthenes View Post
    The only one that did that was Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn. Where order also equaled stagnation, constraint and turning every living thing into stone.
    Ya most game doesn't explain it but some games do such as in Shin Megami Tensei game where

    Order (Light) brings paradise to people but only a select few will be given that Paradise where people are given peace, unity, order, and happiness but those select few must remain ignorant of what is right and wrong and free will to think because ideas are what separates people and bring chaos. Those not chosen are destined to become nothing. Thus people become blinded by the light just like being blind by the darkness.

    Chaos (Darkness) brings destruction to the world and people are easily given into sin due to absolute freedom. There is no peace and no salvation but only pain. All the freedom and ideas the people are given clash so order is never obtained. Thus people become blinded by the darkness just like being blinded by the light.

    Then there is..

    Neutral (Balance) where people are not given paradise nor absolute freedom but a life that provides a bit of both. There will be suffering and hardship but those can be overcome. People's eye are more open to the world and no one is blinded by the reality of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    Now, how would that work?
    If the light has my soul, did I die? Am I in pain? Are we all frozen by endless energy? What has become of this?
    And for that matter what would darkness do? Because I sort of always assumed it just turned people greedy and spiteful enough to desire harm to everyone else. Leading to all life bringing war and destruction unto itself until its end.
    Not entirely sure, did not follow FF3 because its release was in Japan during my childhood and its remake were from handheld.

    From the Final Fantasy Wiki:
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    The Cloud of Darkness.
    In Final Fantasy III, the Cloud of Darkness dwells in the World of Darkness and desires to use the power of the Void to reduce all existence to nothingness. The Warriors of the Dark that had been imprisoned within the Dark Crystals of the World of Darkness explain to the hero party that a delicate balance between the powers of Light and Darkness must be maintained in order to hold the Void at bay.

    They go on to state that whenever an imbalance or "flood" of Light or Darkness occurs, the Cloud of Darkness appears to follow through with its plans. Whenever an imbalance occurs, four individuals are selected to become Warriors of Light or Darkness depending on the imbalance (i.e. Light Warriors against darkness, Dark Warriors against Light). To combat the Cloud of Darkness the Dark Warriors decide to aid the Light Warriors in the battle so their combined powers of Light and Darkness may overwhelm it.
    So a bit of mistake in diction. Whenever the force of Light or Dark get too powerful, the Cloud of Darkness comes from the Void itself to try to claim the world for the Void.


    As I said, I doubt FFXIV will follow this vein, not exactly anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyrist View Post
    Not entirely sure, did not follow FF3 because its release was in Japan during my childhood and its remake were from handheld.

    From the Final Fantasy Wiki:


    So a bit of mistake in diction. Whenever the force of Light or Dark get too powerful, the Cloud of Darkness comes from the Void itself to try to claim the world for the Void.


    As I said, I doubt FFXIV will follow this vein, not exactly anyways.
    So basically, Darkness is just kind of an asshole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    So basically, Darkness is just kind of an asshole.
    The Anti-hero type - but still antagonist to the main story in FFXIV's context.

    Light and Darkness are two forms of life and morality, dynamically opposed. The Void is the concept of a true death and nothingness.
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    clavaat you win the thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyrist View Post
    The Anti-hero type - but still antagonist to the main story in FFXIV's context.

    Light and Darkness are two forms of life and morality, dynamically opposed. The Void is the concept of a true death and nothingness.
    Seems to me the void wouldn't be a problem if Darkness didn't try bringing it up any time Light had a party without him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    Seems to me the void wouldn't be a problem if Darkness didn't try bringing it up any time Light had a party without him.
    except its less "having a party" and more "having a party, then a drive-by happens" which can occur on both ends, like gangs do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    It's not so much as to be the bad guy, so much as I kinda just don't want to be the Scion's goffer anymore. :B

    Plus, like EdwinLi said, FF3 had Warriors of both Light and Dark to help keep the balance. The Warriors of Light protected the World of Light from Darkness, while the Warriors of Darkness protected the World of Darkness from Light.
    Final Fantasy Dimensions lets you play as both in episodes, each unlock jobs the other couldn't get.

    I really hope that XIV doesn't go the cliche route of Darkness = evil and that the Ascians aren't just flat villains. :B
    Well consideirng some statements from the Ascians, they certainly seem to have different interrest groups in order to solve Things. Like the city states as well I would say. Also they sometimes mention that if the Warrior of Light would know the truth he/she would maybe not support Hydelin anymore. So yes I guess they run in a grey area. For example they not seem to pray to the void which actually would fall under quite evil. I also think that the whole desasters play into the aspect to keep the world in balance like there is an age of light and darkness. It kind of looks like that the Ascians at least trigger some sinister events at some point when the Light gets to strong, that leads to an desaster and cuts things down again. I am only not totally certain how their one true god fits into this. Than again there is lso to consider that Final Fantasy 14 plays in the same universe than the other Final Fantasy games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    except its less "having a party" and more "having a party, then a drive-by happens" which can occur on both ends, like gangs do.
    I just have trouble seeing the actual problem with a world of Light in the context of these games.
    From the looks of it, the only problem in that seems to be the Darkness trying to ruin it.
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