Lootmaster: The Greatest Abuse tool.

[Kaedan94]

A lot of people keep responding with, "If you don't like the loot rules, don't join the group." That's not really a rational response. It can and will be abused. There are a lot of statics that are a man or two short and use the DF to fill out. Many of them will abuse the mechanic so the DF players don't get anything.

There are a lot of PF groups that are mostly guildmates or friends and they'll abuse the mechanic to prevent randoms from getting stuff.

It's easy to say, "just don't join those groups", but the problem is that they will be the norm, not the exception. Humans are inherently greedy and selfish, and that shows even more prominently in online games.

The benefits of lootmaster don't really outweigh the negatives.

[SarcasmMisser]

"abuse" is a dogwhistle for people who don't agree to loot rules and want to retain the option to undermine them.

[Elim]

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I doubt loot master will be the norm PF pug setup, but if it is then make your own group.

As for statics they will probably be set to loot master with a pug. Because from my experience random pugs that fill static groups tend to ninja loot even after agreeing to the rules. Many times when one of my static members couldn't make it, and all our normal fillers were busy, we didn't raid. It'll much safer for us to fill with a pug now. And I don't think most statics will screw over pugs. My static members honor their word, because they don't want to get booted from the group. I'll hazard a guess that most statics are like mine in that regard. When my static raids (without a pug) loot master will simply prevent mistake rolls.

tl;dr I personally don't think the negative will outweigh the positive; but then again I have never been the doom and gloom type.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

A lot of people keep responding with, "If you don't like the loot rules, don't join the group." That's not really a rational response. It can and will be abused. There are a lot of statics that are a man or two short and use the DF to fill out. Many of them will abuse the mechanic so the DF players don't get anything.

I fail to understand why refusing to join is ineffective. If groups are too greedy, people will secretly laugh at them and not join. Let's see how fast these groups fill.

[Raist]

A lot of people keep responding with, "If you don't like the loot rules, don't join the group." That's not really a rational response. It can and will be abused. There are a lot of statics that are a man or two short and use the DF to fill out. Many of them will abuse the mechanic so the DF players don't get anything.

They can't fill a party through DF and use lootmaster. It will revert to normal looting when a slot is filled through DF.

You have to form the group in advance, set the rules, and go in as you are currently formed. If you have 7/8...you have to tick the option to go in without filling the 8th slot (run it as a party of 7) to enable the lootmaster option. Otherwise you have fill that last slot yourself so you have a preformed party of 8 to enable lootmaster.

The notes clearly state if a member is filled through DutyFinder it reverts to normal loot rules.

[ZodiacBrave]

They can't fill a party through DF and use lootmaster. It will revert to normal looting when a slot is filled through DF.

You have to form the group in advance, set the rules, and go in as you are currently formed. If you have 7/8...you have to tick the option to go in without filling the 8th slot (run it as a party of 7) to enable the lootmaster option. Otherwise you have fill that last slot yourself so you have a preformed party of 8 to enable lootmaster.

The notes clearly state if a member is filled through DutyFinder it reverts to normal loot rules.

If loot rules revert to normal in DF, I'm fine. Was only worried about chance leaders in PUGs getting all abusive.

As for pre-formed parties, well it depends. For statics and FCs I guess this is nice... though there's always that worst case of needing to curry up to the leaders in order to favor you. For Primal farming in PF... I doubt people will join Lootmaster anyway if they also want their shiny rare mount.

[randysquirrel]

A lot of people keep responding with, "If you don't like the loot rules, don't join the group." That's not really a rational response. It can and will be abused. There are a lot of statics that are a man or two short and use the DF to fill out. Many of them will abuse the mechanic so the DF players don't get anything.

No... if you don't want to risk being the 8th man joining a static group, then still DON'T JOIN
Also... DF players don't get anything? This won't be a DF rule lol

Come on people, think before posting

[Magistrella]

There are a lot of statics that are a man or two short and use the DF to fill out. Many of them will abuse the mechanic so the DF players don't get anything.

Calm your horses

Those rules can only be used in full premades or while using the undersized option. Thats why only the party leader can set it. When you use the DF with 7/8 people you cant use preset rules and it will default to Need/Greed

There are a lot of PF groups that are mostly guildmates or friends and they'll abuse the mechanic to prevent randoms from getting stuff.

If your Partyleader sets it up without telling so before in the PF youll see it in flashy color on the Duty Display, just withdraw if you dont like it and leave the group if it wasnt a mistake. And even if it will be the norm - make your own groups then.

There is nothing to panic about... read the notes more carefully - this is not like WoW where the rules could be changed at any point inside a dungeon and make it possible to ninja gear right before it drops...

[Neuflune]

And even if it will be the norm - make your own groups then.

Some people (read: a lot of people) seem to conveniently forget that, to be honest. Anyone can make a party finder group. Don't like the groups that you see on PF? Make your own... it's not rocket science ><

It only becomes "the norm" if everyone else goes along with it even if they don't like it.