Bard or Machinists

[SovereignAegis]

In my eyes what I see machinist doing is that they take no hit to their DPS and can just lay down those tp/mp buffs without much care. Furthermore the machinist has a ridiculously vast amount of debuffs that they apply to enemies/conditions. Bard doesn't have that.

However Bard does have a massively larger chance to critically strike.


At this point it depends on the numbers, and no one is saying we can't take BOTH. The machinist can put their turret ontop of the damn white mage and then the bard can keep dpsing without needing to ballad until emergency time- in which the bard takes the DPS hit and helps the healer sustain.


At this point however I believe bard will have higher DPS than machinist merely because the bard can stack critical strikes through their monk cross class + their crit = +20% crit strike chance. But on theother hand the bard most certainly lacks the control aspect that the machinist has.

[Zophar]

In my eyes what I see machinist doing is that they take no hit to their DPS and can just lay down those tp/mp buffs without much care. Furthermore the machinist has a ridiculously vast amount of debuffs that they apply to enemies/conditions. Bard doesn't have that.

Except that they do take a dps hit in the form of their turrets that stop attacking in order to play a support role. This isn't theorycrafting or speculation. It's documented fact.

[Guilty_King]

Go Bard, MCH is really gimp right now.

[Ryaz]

It might be because I'm coming from Ninja, which has a really nice combat flow, imo, but MCH just feels clunky to me. I spend more time looking at my bars for cooldowns and procs (which seems far less than the claimed 50% unless Reload is used) than focusing on the combat.

[SpiritMuse]

No one ever brings in a bard for healer LB exclusively, you're overexaggerating the usefulness of a healer LB (when it's arguably pretty garbage in most circumstances).

Both can bring something to the table that makes them worthy of a raid slot; Bards have their stronger song regen (at the cost of damage), while machinists do not suffer as big of a damage penalty in exchange for their weaker regens. Machinists also have more debuffs at their disposal to help mitigate damage with weapon break/mind shot.

Yeah, I've used the bard lb exactly once - at the end of a dungeon when the boss was defeated and the lb had gone unused.

[Warlyx]

It might be because I'm coming from Ninja, which has a really nice combat flow, imo, but MCH just feels clunky to me. I spend more time looking at my bars for cooldowns and procs (which seems far less than the claimed 50% unless Reload is used) than focusing on the combat.

i played a bit MHC and feel the same way D: , watching for procs....and cant wait until MCH gets the casting stance....PROCS and casting = NO NO , ask any blm :P ,or brd now so frustrating getting a proc of X skills while actually casting it (straight shot for example)

[Viar]

i played a bit MHC and feel the same way D: , watching for procs....and cant wait until MCH gets the casting stance....PROCS and casting = NO NO , ask any blm :P ,or brd now so frustrating getting a proc of X skills while actually casting it (straight shot for example)

The only way to miss SS proc is to mash whatever button you bound SS to. SS proc is instacast which is absolutely amazing. And you just need to watch the field itself instead of your hotbars for procs.

On my laptop, I see proc on the field a second before it appears on my hotbars. Pretty useful considering that I tend to look more at what healer's doing rather than my own procs.