So what is PLD good at?

[Gildarts]

See:



And if you think I'm bad, you can go test it yourself. But stop with that theorycraft nonsense. It's been known for a long time that tank DPS is:
Sword Oath PLD (with Eye) > WAR out of Defiance > Sword Oath PLD > Defiance WAR > Shield Oath WAR

pretty sure you are the one with nonesense supporting shity old math with no proof lol, both tank close on DPS but still war does more "again parsers on final coil does show that by lots players"

and is that dummy parser? if so its bad yea, war can do 450+ and more if you get lucky crits

in your parser war doing less encDPS but more dmg, i guess you should try again and parse both with same encounter time ~

edit:

http://s12.postimg.org/h738axwrx/3min_dummy.jpg

months ago, no food/pot/pt

i had better parsers with food+pot and no PT not sure if i saved them i'll see when im home

[Launched]

pretty sure you are the one with nonesense supporting shity old math with no proof lol, both tank close on DPS but still war does more "again parsers on final coil does show that by lots players"

and is that dummy parser? if so its bad yea, war can do 450+ and more if you get lucky crits

in your parser war doing less encDPS but more dmg, i guess you should try again and parse both with same encounter time ~

edit:

http://s12.postimg.org/h738axwrx/3min_dummy.jpg

months ago, no food/pot/pt

i had better parsers with food+pot and no PT not sure if i saved them i'll see when im home

You hit 450 BECAUSE of lucky crits (28% vs my 16%). You got 10 DPS extra on both autoattacks and Eye, not because of gear or skill, but because of a lucky run of crits. Give a PLD the same critrate and it'll still be ahead.

Sword Oath is ridiculous. It's a free 50-60 DPS just for pointing towards whatever you're fighting. It doesn't matter if it's a dummy, Imdugud or Bahamut, because both tanks would have the same uptime.

That doesn't mean that PLD is a better offtank, because there's more to it than just DPS. But OT DPS is the one area PLD wins in, and like I've said before, anyone with both geared can prove it.

[Gildarts]

hmhmhm

excuses as always, parsers from over all net disagree with you so is many many top players yet you still cling on this false shit

just did 4 parsers i never drop below 440 and my crit rate always high >.> your gear isn't even optimized for war>.>

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[SirTaint]

It's a pain to test because PLD needs the slashing debuff. Reddit has a math thread but I'm having trouble finding it.

[karateorangutang]

And in three days... none of this matters.

[Gildarts]

^ thats for sure, jobs gona change abit

when the preliminary notes suppose to be up? i know yoshi will read them in about 12hrs however i hope its up to read for us before that /;

[SpookyGhost]

They'll probably be up before the reading, but your guess is as good as mine. :V

[Daega]

Paladin is fantastic at everything. As a main PLD I can parse 400+ easy in sword Oath. Crit on Halone can go to 1100+ with good dps acc. And defense is of course superior when used correctly. I PVP all the time and those cooldowns allow me to get focused and survive by hordes with good heals not to mention major mechanics in coil. Hallowed>Holmegang. Yes Warrior can burst But I'd much rather survive and provide steady decent dps in the long run and be able to cover/mitigate damage. Love my PLD

[FallenWings]

In terms of pure single target damage, a Sword Oath Paladin with Slash resist down will pull ahead of a Non-Defiance Warrior. (By a tiiiiiny bit) Purely on potencies. Sword Oath practically gives all your GCD skills 50 potency since a general auto attack for a paladin is 2.3 (with zeta, dread is faster etc etc). Effectively making Paladin's potency per action like so:

2.5sec GCD.

Fast Blade (200) > Savage Blade (250) > Rage of Halone (310) | 760

vs

Heavy Swing (180) > Skull Sunder (240) > Butcher's Block (336) | 756
Heavy Swing (180) > Maim (228) > Storm's Eye (324) | 732

So Total potency in 30 seconds is
PLD: 3040
WAR: 2976

Pretty damn close, but then PLD pulls slightly ahead by getting free 550 Pot from Circle of Scorn and Spirits Within.

But what about fracture and INNER BEAST?! They're both Effective 360 Potencies and can only be realistically used once each in our sample. So just take out the last 2 actions which is Skull and Butcher's or Maim and SE

PLD: 3590
WAR: 3132 or 3144


But what about mah FCOB parses?! I dun understands!
One simple answer:


ADDS

Poor Paladin sama has no AoE damage skills (besides CoS but lol yeah every 25 secs)
and this is where we Warrior's cheese the fuck out of our parses and go OVERPOWER OVERPOWER OVERPOWAAAAA! 2 adds?! 288 Pot PER GCD! 3 adds?! 432 PER GCD! 4? 5? 6?! You get the idea. And steel cyclone I guess if you really want to make your healers cry. 2 adds 480 pot 3 adds 720 pot etc etc etc.

So yes, Warriors do more damage even as OT, as long as there are 2 or more targets at some point during the encounter. Otherwise a PLD should pull ahead in SINGLE TARGET based upon Skill Potencies.

Final note: I can't be bothered with these but whatever, Warrior's AA's are 20% stronger cuz of maim. So I estimate they're closer to 3400 or so potency. Naturally Crit will also dilute parses and so on and so forth. Apply your blanket buffs etc etc. hnnngh. Expansion is coming with Deliverance \o/ so warriors might just flat out pull ahead in every scenario. Why did I waste my time with this.

[SirTaint]

I'm mathing out the difference and will continue to update as work allows. (simple math)

Check it out and let me know of any corrections. FoF is a flat 30% increase but I wasn't sure how to account for Zerk's 50% to attack power, so I just made it a 50% increase. Again I'm just keeping it simple.

http://www.beast40.com/FFXIV/

PLDWAR.xlsx is the file