So what is PLD good at?

[Zophar]

According to calculation, if the WAR put the slashing debuff, an equally gear PLD in SwOath will always do more damage than a WAR without Defiance. Not a "lot" more, but more nonetheless

Gonna need math for this one, cause I don't buy it. Pld has exactly one ability that boosts his damage output, by 30% for 30 seconds every 90 seconds. Completely ignoring Storm's eye, war has a 20% boost to damage that should be up 100% of the time, as well as a 50% damage boost for 20 seconds, every 90 seconds. In defiance, you can throw Unchained on top of this to remove the 25% damage penalty for 20 seconds. They also have Internal Release at their disposal, and we'll just ignore the crit rate from defiance.

So please. Math at me.

[SirTaint]

Gonna need math for this one, cause I don't buy it. Pld has exactly one ability that boosts his damage output, by 30% for 30 seconds every 90 seconds. Completely ignoring Storm's eye, war has a 20% boost to damage that should be up 100% of the time, as well as a 50% damage boost for 20 seconds, every 90 seconds. In defiance, you can throw Unchained on top of this to remove the 25% damage penalty for 20 seconds. They also have Internal Release at their disposal, and we'll just ignore the crit rate from defiance.

So please. Math at me.

You completely left out Sword oaths bonus. PLD has two of the best offensive skills in the game.

Here is PLD T10 parse from a PUG group I joined last month. I out DPSed the DRG and BLM, PLD is nothing scoff at in the right hands.

http://beast40.com/FFXIV/Parses/pldparse.png

[Keltraeng]

I did not have coils in mind, WARs might struggle more than PLDs in new dungeons. But if you want an example where the block or so called "weak awareness" shine then for instance T5, those little snakes crit a lot and can be blocked, back in the days of progression awareness + block was definitely better than anything what WAR could bring.
PLD can't afford to use Rampart and Sentinel at the same time why exactly? PLD can do it and will do it if situation requires it. No idea why Convalescence is weak, if I use your logic against you then Defiance is weak as well, because it provides "only" healing bonus. Healing bonus and damage reduction are just different sides of the same coin ...

Anyway you will understand when you melt to some trash pack in the new dungeon.

Using rampart and sent as a paladin is so bad.....I can't even begin to go into why but I'll just leave it at ROTATION MANAGEMENT

[Zophar]

You completely left out Sword oaths bonus. PLD has two of the best offensive skills in the game.

Here is PLD T10 parse from a PUG group I joined last month. I out DPSed the DRG and BLM, PLD is nothing scoff at in the right hands.

http://beast40.com/FFXIV/Parses/pldparse.png

Fair enough. I did leave out Sword oath. However, you'll have to forgive me if a parse based off a pug party isn't overly convincing to me. If you outdps'd a drg and a blm, that is way more a commentary on them than on you.

[Launched]

Fair enough. I did leave out Sword oath. However, you'll have to forgive me if a parse based off a pug party isn't overly convincing to me. If you outdps'd a drg and a blm, that is way more a commentary on them than on you.

Anyone with both geared can just test it. I get 425-435 on WAR, 440-450 on PLD. DW axe vs DW sword and IW shield. http://i.imgur.com/i72jSZ0.png

[SirTaint]

Fair enough. I did leave out Sword oath. However, you'll have to forgive me if a parse based off a pug party isn't overly convincing to me. If you outdps'd a drg and a blm, that is way more a commentary on them than on you.

Its 445 MTing over 8 minutes. Khuja is also a highly regarded WAR. The reason why most WARs seem to do more DPS is because they build their sets and mindsets around the idea that they can DPS. While most PLDs just turtle up and 123.

This is a solid read and will get more interesting once HW drops.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/120...e-Off-Tank-DPS

[Zophar]

I'm still not completely convinced, but I'll concede to the possibility, based merely on the fact that I haven't done any in depth testing on the matter, and am building my case exclusively off of paper math, and my personal experience playing alongside plds. Both of which give me the result of war winning.

[rawker]

Well... for once I started a thread asking if a PLD is in need of damage buffing and from the responses I have received and through some personal experience, I stand corrected. PLD do fine in terms of damage-dealing. It's just that their skill set is focused on turtling that I didn't see through. I don't have the right gear to do those dps ranges as PLD so that's another thing. Also FoF is equivalent to WAR's Unchained since the buff normalizes the damage penalty you receive from ShO.

[Gildarts]

Gonna need math for this one, cause I don't buy it. Pld has exactly one ability that boosts his damage output, by 30% for 30 seconds every 90 seconds. Completely ignoring Storm's eye, war has a 20% boost to damage that should be up 100% of the time, as well as a 50% damage boost for 20 seconds, every 90 seconds. In defiance, you can throw Unchained on top of this to remove the 25% damage penalty for 20 seconds. They also have Internal Release at their disposal, and we'll just ignore the crit rate from defiance.

So please. Math at me.

^ PLD would never out parse war equally geared>.> again many people talk it does with no real numbers to back it up. all parsers i have seen past months show war does more Damage yawn

[Launched]

^ PLD would never out parse war equally geared>.> again many people talk it does with no real numbers to back it up. all parsers i have seen past months show war does more Damage yawn

See:

Anyone with both geared can just test it. I get 425-435 on WAR, 440-450 on PLD. DW axe vs DW sword and IW shield. http://i.imgur.com/i72jSZ0.png

And if you think I'm bad, you can go test it yourself. But stop with that theorycraft nonsense. It's been known for a long time that tank DPS is:
Sword Oath PLD (with Eye) > WAR out of Defiance > Sword Oath PLD > Defiance WAR > Shield Oath WAR