I am infuriated and in tears, about to quit again

[Adire]

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Is it any less poisonous to think yourself entitled to receive a reward when you haven't contributed anything at all?

Because that's what the person in question did. The OP simply thought themselves to be deserving of the gear more.

Seeing as the OP contributed, and the other person did not, I'm inclined to agree with them.

Edit: Also, I don't think you understand what this thread is about. It's not about who did better. It's about who did anything at all, and who did nothing at all.

[Madsamurai]

Is it any less poisonous to think yourself entitled to receive a reward when you haven't contributed anything at all?

Because that's what the person in question did. The OP simply thought themselves to be deserving of the gear more.

Seeing as the OP contributed, and the other person did not, I'm inclined to agree with them.

Edit: Also, I don't think you understand what this thread is about. It's not about who did better. It's about who did anything at all, and who did nothing at all.

Honestly it would cause more complexity to say give no rights to anyone who came in mid raid or even at the last boss a chance to roll just cause they did lesser than everyone else. Because nobody in their right mind would even want to opt in to join a raid that is already halfway done if that's the case. Any mid raid quitters would totally kill the entire group of any chance for any loot at any boss they have not killed unless they are confident to beat the fight with less than a full group. So honestly thank them for joining last minute because THAT itself is their contribution for filling the empty spot to even make that fight happen else the OP would not even get to roll on the loot at the end of the fight. Deal with it.

[Adire]

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That's a very unsatisfying answer. Simply joining a raid is NOT the same thing as contributing to its completion.

Is someone who joins locked out of a fight contributing anymore to it than the person who left? No. Either way, for that fight, they are not contributing. So it's reasonable to ask that they not take a reward from that fight when they have contributed nothing to it.

If they were not allowed to roll until they contributed, people would still join in progress. It would be much more fair that way. You contribute to a fight, you get to roll on loot from that fight. You don't? Well, you don't get to mooch then.

[Madsamurai]

That's a very unsatisfying answer. Simply joining a raid is NOT the same thing as contributing to its completion.

Is someone who joins locked out of a fight contributing anymore to it than the person who left? No. Either way, for that fight, they are not contributing. So it's reasonable to ask that they not take a reward from that fight when they have contributed nothing to it.

If they were not allowed to roll until they contributed, people would still join in progress. It would be much more fair that way. You contribute to a fight, you get to roll on loot from that fight. You don't? Well, you don't get to mooch then.

Well sure if the OP is saying that the undeserving player joined the game but decided to stay out of the fight behind that safe zone, sure maybe SE could implement something to prevent that player from looting anything there if they did complete zilch in that encounter.

[Adire]

Well sure if the OP is saying that the undeserving player joined the game but decided to stay out of the fight behind that safe zone, sure maybe SE could implement something to prevent that player from looting anything there if they did complete zilch in that encounter.

Why they were locked out doesn't matter. The fact is, they did not contribute. How the game could be made to know how someone got locked out would be impossible as well.

If they don't contribute to a fight, i.e. they are locked out, then simply do not give them the option to roll on loot from that fight. Simple fix, fairness for all.

[Madsamurai]

Why they were locked out doesn't matter. The fact is, they did not contribute. How the game could be made to know how someone got locked out would be impossible as well.

If they don't contribute to a fight, i.e. they are locked out, then simply do not give them the option to roll on loot from that fight. Simple fix, fairness for all.

As long they are locked out whether on purpose or they fell asleep or watching cutscene before the fight..they aren't entitled to rolling for anything in that encounter. As harsh as that sound but that is the most fair for all in any given situation. But if the OP is saying that player got into the fight but decided not to do anything.. then sorry to say i am afraid there will not be a solution to this. Way too complex to come out with an algorithm to calculate every players contribution to determine if they are able to roll or not.

[DreadRabbit]

Why they were locked out doesn't matter. The fact is, they did not contribute.

Why they were locked out DOES matter. Very rarely when a player is locked out of a fight it's because it's their fault. Impatient tanks, accidental pulls by healer or DPS, DC-ing, one player disliking someone for whatever reason and initiating the fight just so they do get locked out, among a myriad of other things can cause a player to get locked out of a fight. Let alone if you just vote-kicked someone for being horrible in the party, and someone joins to take their place, should THEY be punished if your team gets too impatient to wait for them to run up to where you are? The answer is no.

As much as RNG sucks, the system we have now is the fairest we've got. While OP's situation is horrible and we've all been there, there is an answer: if you know you're gonna level a job to want the gear you're grinding for, just go do it so you can roll need over greed. Next people will say players can't give commendations unless a meter in the game proclaims player x hit certain parameters and are now worthy of getting said commendation.

[Adire]

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It DOESN'T matter. Why? Because if you have not put in effort for whatever reason, those who have put in effort deserve it more. And again, you have 15 seconds to get inside.

And again, if you join in-progress and they've already pulled, no one is at fault, but one fact remains: They contributed, you did not.

That 15 second rule is there to ensure that everyone has ample time to get inside the fight area as long as they're somewhat nearby. If someone joins in-progress and is already locked out or does not have time to get there, no one is at fault, so the person who joins should still not feel like they deserve to roll as much as the people who have been fighting.

[Kotemon]

Well sure if the OP is saying that the undeserving player joined the game but decided to stay out of the fight behind that safe zone, sure maybe SE could implement something to prevent that player from looting anything there if they did complete zilch in that encounter.

It would make sense that you don't get to need/greed if you were not in that event. Such as coming in late or being locked out. With that said I've seen a bunch of raids where one person will pull (usually a dps face pull) early or as soon as they get there. Regardless if anyone else is in or not. It's one problem if people watching cutscenes, going afk, stopping to go through the loot pool. Or some other distraction that made them either stop and look away or not stand inside the arena or even run into the map. Not ignoring the random drops for not finding the right gear, or the party that said they have no tank or healer due to drop outs. While this is a valid point there no such digital overlord of 1's and 0's who can judge every instance individually. Someone will get shafted one way or another. Like with the real world, just got to move on and hope they if they are on your world, that you never see them.

[Lillia]

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Honestly, I'm having disturbing images of people trolling others for loot with a system such as "You're not in so you don't get to roll on loot." Imagine a pre-pull just to get 100% chances at a drop cause a player is in a group with 2 other dps of the same class? :/