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    Wow are you serious? Assume 100 Potency isn't 100%, but 101%.

    299 -> 1155 = 404%.

    "100 Potency" of 629 /303% = 207.591

    101/30 = 3.366666

    207.591/3.36666 = 61.66

    lol Please double check and see if I'm not being a moron here. I rounded a few numbers here and there also. But could something like that... work? I want someone to say I'm a moron.

    207.591*3.03 = 629
    229*5.05 = 1156.45

    Given how bad the games rounding is, I guess it kinda checks out... I'm gunna run some tests after I've broken my Archer and Rogue weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dervy View Post
    Wow are you serious? Assume 100 Potency isn't 100%, but 101%.

    299 -> 1155 = 404%.

    "100 Potency" of 629 /303% = 207.591

    101/30 = 3.366666

    207.591/3.36666 = 61.66

    lol Please double check and see if I'm not being a moron here. I rounded a few numbers here and there also. But could something like that... work? I want someone to say I'm a moron.

    207.591*3.03 = 629
    229*5.05 = 1156.45

    Given how bad the games rounding is, I guess it kinda checks out... I'm gunna run some tests after I've broken my Archer and Rogue weapons.
    Well, first you're assuming that the listed potencies are wrong, and then assuming that it's only the X00 potencies.

    Also, the 61.66 looks okay if we ignore that it should round to 62, not 61, but then it breaks again when you add in that the minimum crit for that is 91. 61.66 x 1.5 is over 92.

    Also also, if 229 is "101 potency" then you would still only multiply by 5 to get the "505 potency" of SA. Which still leaves you at 229 x 5 = 1145. And since my observed SA maximum was 1277. . .1277/1145 would have been 1.1152, which is way too big a spread.
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    Could of said I'm a moron :P I just get too happy when I observe random patterns. Nearly always turns up as a coincidence, haha. But yeah, the Crit Min/Max's completely throw what I said out of the window. RIP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dervy View Post
    Could of said I'm a moron :P
    Nah, I'd much rather just provide more numbers. Besides, it's not like I put all my data points in that post.

    Adding all my data points into one linear regression, I get a reasonably accurate formula:

    DMG=2.21388(Potency)-2.00138

    It doesn't quite hit some of my maximums, but we're talking a few tenths of a damage point away from values that would round up to my observed maximums. For example, that provides 695.26 for maximum unbuffed 300 potency, with an observed at 696. But, then, it gives 764.80 for the B4B max, with an observed at 765.

    Edit: Note that you would do the subtraction before multiplying for buffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    1277/1145 would have been 1.1152, which is way too big a spread.
    Given that my 40 potency dot can go from 58-65 resulting in 1.1206 , and either 64/58 and 65/59 still result in 1.10X, there must other stuff be going on.

    Either the game forcefully creates more numbers than needed (for cases where a 1.1 value would result in only one number - level 1 BLM auto-attacking for 1-2) or some stuff happens after creating the damage range (Magic and Mend is applied after creating the damage range - combine that with rounding and you could get there), or you could even have both of these.

    Damage ranges are a pretty pointless concept anyway. You'll only ever bother with their existence if they punish you, i.e. you get the bad end of the spectrum and your damage blows because of that. Hopefully going in Heavenswards with a lot of bigger numbers they'll notice that there are no benefits of damage ranges. The only way to counter that is to tune stuff around the worst case, but that would mean that if you get exceptionally lucky, it can seem pretty easy (10% "buff")
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hustensaft View Post
    Given that my 40 potency dot can go from 58-65 resulting in 1.1206 , and either 64/58 and 65/59 still result in 1.10X, there must other stuff be going on.
    The target is 21/19=1.1052something. 64.5/58.4 is 1.10445, so that spread makes perfect sense.
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