Please do NOT alter Dark Knight AF for female characters.

[Hypie]

Wow, way to completely overreact AND misinterpret what I said. No need to throw a tantrum. Don't know where you're getting "hatred" from either... you certainly seem to be full of hate though.

Please, tell me why the female DRG armour has a belly window.

Im just tired of this Discussion and i have a headache nothing more.

Why does it have a Belly Window. Because the Artist in Charge for the Dragoon Class Armor liked the Design and decided it like that. End of Story. Nothing more. You can't change it no matter how much you critize it. If they like a Design on a female Char they will go with it. Doesn't matter to them if you, i or any other player in this forum will find it skimpy, sexism or whatever you call it.

[seida]

And they shouldn't ever care about outsider opinions.

Oh ok, guess they shouldn't listen to the people who want separate horns on au ra then... maybe we shouldn't even HAVE this forum if our opinions are worthless. I mean it's not like a sizeable portion of subscribers are non-japanese or anything!

And no need to generalise, my Japanese bf hates skimpy gear on his miqote and has complained several times about the dragoon af

Im just tired of this Discussion and i have a headache nothing more.

Why does it have a Belly Window. Because the Artist in Charge for the Dragoon Class Armor liked the Design and decided it like that. End of Story. Nothing more. You can't change it no matter how much you critize it. If they like a Design on a female Char they will go with it. Doesn't matter to them if you, i or any other player in this forum will find it skimpy, sexism or whatever you call it.

Yes, and why do you think the artist liked it?

If you read my post, I'm not trying to change it. I just want them to avoid doing stuff like that in the future.

[Hypie]

Yes, and why do you think the artist liked it?

If you read my post, I'm not trying to change it. I just want them to avoid doing stuff like that in the future.

Well if it calms you down, its his not personal Taste alone. For a Class Armor there will be several Trials needed to be passed. Maybe the Fem Armor with no Belly Window didn't make the cut. Only SE knows. The entire Design Team and the "Overlord Leader" agreed to it and then it happened like that.

[Riastrad]

I dont care either way with topics like these. This topic can be answered 3 words as to why 51 pages was unnecessary, and why your female armor will have these slight differences however.


Japan doesn't care.


And they shouldn't ever care about outsider opinions.

FFXIV's rerelease as A Real Reborn says otherwise. They had to listen to outsiders (westerners) because most XIV players were on PC. There are many reports that state that Japanese gamers play mostly on consoles. Western audiences were/are the majority of their player base.

A Warrior should look like a Warrior and a Paladin as a Paladin, etc. For the most part this game does well enough on that. However, AF should not omit parts of itself regardless of gender.

The changes to Dragoons artifact gear are laughable at best. The defense of it is just silly.
Flexibility and bone structure are just odd reasonings for it when male and female characters alike use the same exact animations.

[Alacran]

There really isn't anything wrong with revealing glamours, i have said it before I rather enjoy my alt ware reaveling outfits because at the end of the day i am a guy after all.

Current Monk glamour for alt and main:


The issue is with AF, lore created content that specifically of the Jobs representation and our characters journey to becoming that job. That I truly feel should not focus on gender as much.

Being a great Monk, a follower of Ala Mhigo martial teachings has nothing to do with gender. I feel the Monk AF depicts that.



While The Warrior armor is changed to an extent it is not so different for either, nor should it be. A proud group of Warriors bearing both the armor and the skills of their proud traditions should be looked at with both awe and a little fear.



What happened to the Dragoon, I do not know, it simply makes no sense other than a needless show of skin for one gender. That's it, as different as men and women are for the most part vital organs are still in the same general area. Skewered is Skewered as is being eviscerated, I don't care how pretty you look in peep show armor, if your goal is to be a Dragoon , then forgetting to armor your stomach is a death wish. It is an insult to both your intelligence and mine to claim a biological/ necessary reason for one gender to be have less armor than the other when both are by lore supposed to be serious dedicated slayers of Dragon kind.


This should not happen again.

[Felis]

FFXIV's rerelease as A Real Reborn says otherwise.

It was not because of the gear

A Warrior should look like a Warrior and a Paladin as a Paladin, regardless of gender.

So the female DGR as a whole don't look like a DRG AF to you? The gear is 90% identical to the male counterpart.

Being a great Monk, a follower of Ala Mhigo martial teachings has nothing to do with gender. I feel the Monk AF depicts that.

Don't you see the knee window on the female AF? ^^
Not good if she fall.

[Riastrad]

It was not because of the gear


So the female DGR as a whole don't look like a DRG AF to you? The gear is 90% identical to the male counterpart.

Of course it wasn't. The jobs came long after it was already dubbed a failure. It was due to the crippling lag, fatigue system, copy pasted environments and lack of content beyond guildleves.

As for the Drg af, it look mostly the same but with some odd holes cut into it. Looks like it needs to go back to the smithy for repairs. I honestly meant it should look the same regardless of gender. Well, at least it should be covered the same. There is room for the feminine figure, but cutting holes into armor for "flexibility" and "bone strucuture" (how many bones do you have in your belly anyways?) isn't the best course of action.


Edited previous post to reflect my intent.

[Alacran]

It was not because of the gear


So the female DGR as a whole don't look like a DRG AF to you? The gear is 90% identical to the male counterpart.

Don't you see the knee window on the female AF? ^^
Not good if she fall.

Is that not for flexibility or her different bone structure? Surely with some of the arguments for less armor on female avatars this can be inaccurately explained.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

Yeah, Alacran, the theory of "game artists are Just perverts" is way more interesting than using the lore armors to think about the lore... Small changes like those of MNK, BRD and WAR'AFs are not interesting because it's Just to make the armor a little bit more feminine, but a huge difference like the one on DRG AF has to mean something.

Laugh all you want, I try to think about the game, you try to make fun of me. Not sure who's laughable here =(

[Alacran]

Yeah, Alacran, the theory of "game artists are Just perverts" is way more interesting than using the lore armors to think about the lore...Small changes like those of MNK, BRD and WAR'AFs are not interesting because it's Just to make the armor a little bit more feminine, but a huge difference like the one on DRG AF has to mean something.

Laugh all you want, I try to think about the game, you try to make fun of me. Not sure who's laughable here =(

I'm not actually singling you out to be completely honest. The argument has been made multiple times by others, I simply chose this time to make reference to that particular argument. If for what ever reason the changes were part of lore as by example a Berserker class/ job were to be released lore dictates they would use as little armor as possible. This was a documented tactic to increase their ferocity. There is no lore for the changes to female AF, no reason to have defective, unfinished, broken armor in comparison to their male counterparts. Plain and simple it was made to draw attention to the female figure, it in my opinion cheapens the overall presentation of the Job. if female do not need the scale covering on their torso's then males do not need it either. When lore states Halone herself strode in to battle bare chested and with all her power did bring ruin of The Dravanian Horde thus setting the example all Dragoons would follow thousands of years latter, the the lore of armor would have been satisfied.