Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ

[Dererk]

I wish I could properly discuss about the access to Ishgard lore/story wise, but for the moment I can't. But what I saw reading/skimming trough this thread, they are very xenophobic there and don't allow anyone else in than the "hero?" player... singular.. as in as far story is concerned only one is let it? And if that's the case how it's explained in the story that there's actually ton of players there? Now I'm probably all wrong with these so shoot me down if I am and if possible correct me without any major spoilers, please

WOW have we really reached the point where people ask this ok.

So you play the WoL Isgaurd gets opened not just to you but all other adventurers (please don't please no one say then why can't every one get in and have to do the main story because we all the WoL people) because you showed them how useful they can be that's why you see a whole bunch of other people there.

[Gilraen]

...or did I misunderstand that now?

Yes, but you kind of answered your own question in the Vishap example. See, yes, as far as the world is involved you are the only Warrior of Light and everyone else is just 'an adventurer'. But all those other adventurers who also fought Vishap with the Warrior of Light earned their entry by, get this, also fighting Vishap. That is, they are up at that point in the storyline as well. They aren't 'just mundane people'. Ishgard saw the potential of adventurers because they'd earned that attention. An adventurer that only managed to get their airship pass so they could fly around and unlock the Land and Hand classes doesn't exist as far as Ishgard's vision goes. Why should they 'scratch your back', if you don't even want to look at their's?

[kyuven]

Not hero, heroes. The cutscene prior to the last trial explicity mentionned "help from the free companieS" and suggest that you "gather a group of adventurerS"

I always imagine it's like this reverse "party in your pocket" thing.
You know how normally in FFs before XI, your party would kind of "merge" with you on overland zones?
Well here and XI it's the opposite: they're implied to be "merged" with you for story cutscenes!
This makes more sense when you realize Japanese doesn't have standard noun pluralization (adding -tachi to the noun just makes it "X's group, or "group of X," it's not a standard pluralization.) so when they call you 英雄 (eiyuu) the word they use for "Warrior of Light", the could be referring to you singularly or collectively.
So "The Warrior of Light is escaping!"
and "The Warriors of Light are escaping!" would translate exactly the same (well, they can, you can also use 英雄たち (eiyuu-tachi) but yeah)

[XgungraveX]

Same reason why you don't die from gun shots and sword swipes in Final Fantasy.

phoenix down?

[Balipu]

I personally would like a little flexibility on this (maybe not having to finish all the patch content, but only the original 2.0 MSQ)....I have a number of friends who just started playing recently and are still working on the MSQ. It takes a long time if you just started.

And they better hurry as all the Heavensward content will disappear when Yoshie deletes everything with a hotfix in mid july. Oh, wait, he won't. This is not a race like at the end of 1.0. The content isn't going anywhere. In fact as time goes one it will only increase. A lot.

[RiceisNice]

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The game has referenced us as "warriors of light" on numerous occasions, at least htey did on the trial descriptions (ramuh EX is one I can name off the top of my head).

[berries]

WOW have we really reached the point where people ask this ok.

So you play the WoL Isgaurd gets opened not just to you but all other adventurers (please don't please no one say then why can't every one get in and have to do the main story because we all the WoL people) because you showed them how useful they can be that's why you see a whole bunch of other people there.

All I asked was a lore/story justification/clarification about the entry... and this next one does it nicely I think

Yes, but you kind of answered your own question in the Vishap example. See, yes, as far as the world is involved you are the only Warrior of Light and everyone else is just 'an adventurer'. But all those other adventurers who also fought Vishap with the Warrior of Light earned their entry by, get this, also fighting Vishap. That is, they are up at that point in the storyline as well. They aren't 'just mundane people'. Ishgard saw the potential of adventurers because they'd earned that attention. An adventurer that only managed to get their airship pass so they could fly around and unlock the Land and Hand classes doesn't exist as far as Ishgard's vision goes. Why should they 'scratch your back', if you don't even want to look at their's?

Thank you for the answer.. though this "if you don't even want to look at their's?" leaves me puzzled, but I guess I need to find that out why it's like that myself.. somehow

Anyway keeping track with this thread is becoming so time consuming now. I guess all I wanted to say I'm not really happy about expansion gating like that, but there's really nothing that can be done about it now.

[Tsuga]

It seems like all that has been brought up since my last post was that some people don't care about the story, or feel like it's a chore to do the quests.

Honestly, the MSQ makes leveling 1000x easier than every other MMO I've ever played. It's pretty much a fast lane to 50 if you do it. Not only does it express you to 50, but it also teaches you nearly every mechanic that you will encounter by the begining of the end game raids, and in all of the end game dungeons, via the required duties to progress, plus it provides gear, and gil. Add on top of that that all of the quests will now grant even better gear, and more exp, and that 2.1-2.55 quests will now help you cut into level 50+, and it's honestly a god send for people who want to get to end game FAST. The alternative is grinding FATEs, duty roulettes, hunting logs and challenge log... which is what you have to do if you want to level a second job.

Point is, Ishgard and all of its content are level 50+ content. It exists to supplement the people who have all ready been at end game for a while now, and it serves to make that path to end game that much easier for new people. Every MMO has end game, every MMO makes you work (and in our case, teaches you how to play so that you're ready for end game) to get there. FFXIV is extremely forgiving on that side.

Not to sound old, but I spent 3 years playing FFXI, hardcore sometimes, casual sometimes, and I never even got to end game. I've never achieved max level in ANY other MMO. I got end game in 2.0 on my arcanist (since I had everything else at 50) playing casually (meaning a few nights a week)for about a month, watching every cutscene and reading all NPC dialogue.

[DGladius]

Gotta do work to get things you want. It's like this everywhere.

[MageBlack]

This is just one more way to screw up the RMT as well. You guys should be happy they are gating this.