Shortage of tanks a myth - thoughts?

[KisaiTenshi]

To be fair, if SE tried to pop this survey on me every time, I would just mark everyone as the lowest possible score every time. I hate forced surveys.

Well (to be completely honest), they do this in call centers to make the CSR (call center representative) responsible for intentionally bad calls, and they also realize that the most pissed off person will mark everyone down out of spite.

Those surveys tend to fall outside the 95% mark and aren't counted against the CSR. Now if the CSR was getting this EVERY time, then the problem is the CSR (or the skill queue they are put in.)

But the surveys do not replace monitored quality assessments. The survey only proves that you weren't paying attention to the customers needs. (When I worked a queue that was specifically giving people uninformative DMCA notices, I got mostly bad scores, because who would ever consider "you are ruining my business (selling counterfeits)" a good outcome.) What the customer doesn't realize is that those surveys would never ever count.

In the context of FFXIV, a survey for low-level content would have the highest weighting, while the hardest content would would have the lowest weighting, since less people play it. You would have to have a >50% low rating on a Coil run to be blocked from it, where as a >25% low score would be enough to be blocked from low level.

A player who "abuses" the survey system would have their weighting reduced, which in turn would likely result in them being unable to use the DF with that role if it was.

If you mark everyone low, you are marking yourself as low.

[seida]

I have all classes to 50, but I probably tank the least. Why? I just don't really enjoy it. It tends to be either boring or frustrating imo.

Healing is my favourite and has decent queue times, so I would rather queue as something I enjoy.

I'll tank on request for friends, but otherwise rarely.

[shanvhere]

I avoid playing DF, it's already hard enough.

[Lego3400]

There's lotttttsss of people who say "you're not the leader just because you're the tank", "you're not the boss of me" and tell tanks what to pull, when to pull, how to pull and when they don't do things their way(or if the tank is undergeared and can't handle it) they freak out. There was a 50 page thread on this forum, with waves of people pretty much posting that. If there ever was a thread to discourage new tanks, that was one.

Tanks assumeing they're the boss leads the the oppsite issue of rude entitled tanks. It's a vicious cycle. (PS, unless you're in a premade, there is no boss unless someone is new the dungon. If a DPS is the most experianced member, then let them give out orders that will help the group)

[Misha_Snow]

PLD is my main, but I avoid DF because of situations like this one:


I did try to queue as DPS (because I need light for my DRG) but the queue was insane, so I changed my mind and just went with my main. At first boss of KotL, I decided to roll a smoke (30 seconds or even less) which equals to the time to go to bio for some and this DPS starts insulting (in the img red = mean DRG DPS, green = healer). He afked the 1st boss fight and the rest of the dungeon while throwing insults from time to time, then we kicked him right before the last boss fight.

[RyuRoots]

That kid was an idiot, but I'm not seeing anything unique to tanks here. I see these morons all the time (especially when they're bad players themselves, demanding to be kicked in similar situations).

I've seen a lot of these "oh boo hoo, us poor tanks" posts lately and I call BS on it. I never see tanks get any treatment ingame except people brainlessly throwing commendations at them regardless of how well or poorly they did and tanks themselves treating the entire game like their personal speedrun factory and whining if anyone doesn't like it.

[Kosmos992k]

That kid was an idiot, but I'm not seeing anything unique to tanks here. I see these morons all the time (especially when they're bad players themselves, demanding to be kicked in similar situations).

I've seen a lot of these "oh boo hoo, us poor tanks" posts lately and I call BS on it. I never see tanks get any treatment ingame except people brainlessly throwing commendations at them regardless of how well or poorly they did and tanks themselves treating the entire game like their personal speedrun factory and whining if anyone doesn't like it.

Whether you see it or not, it's there. Your opinion does not invalidate the actual experience that peple have shared. Honestly, you sre saying the equivalent of "fire? What fire?" all while the building around you is reduced to smoldering rubble by a huge blaze.

[Eidolon]

A player who "abuses" the survey system would have their weighting reduced, which in turn would likely result in them being unable to use the DF with that role if it was.

If you mark everyone low, you are marking yourself as low.

No offense, but your system is inherantly bad because:
1) It forces people to do it, or else "Risk marking yourself down"
2) Anything that inconveniences players will naturally see them just leaving it to the natural answers (Your idea of hitting esca)E
3) It should NEVER be forced on a player.

I don't mind an optional survey/option at the end. Optional is good. I always select "No" on optional surveys. But like I said, the moment you try and -force- it on me? That's when I'll just put everything was ****.

I like the current system of commendations. People will gravitate towards whatever they usually gravitate towards. Exceptional play, and some people might give you -extra- coms. But never forced. Never.

[Nadirah]

I get anxious as crazy when I tank. Healer is where I'm happiest. No anxiety what so ever. I feel bad if I let someone die, but for some reason, my confidence as a healer lets me shed any undue criticism off like it's nothin'. I give tanking a try every now and again; maybe some day I can learn to roll whether "dey hatin'" or not.

I have a God complex. I have no problems letting jerks die.

[Krylo]

These threads always confuse me because, on Aether, I've never gotten guff as a tank. At least not that I can remember, so not very much, and not enough to be worth running from the role with (And I've definitely made bad mistakes when I was learning, but I don't remember abuse for it--just friendly advice 'try sprinting if you're going to train' 'oh well, that's a good idea, derp on me for not thinking of it' or 'Yeah you really need to flash that group' back when I thought face pulling was in any way acceptable, and probably deserved vitriol for that--but didn't get it). Hell, even when I'm not tanking and get a tank who's very very very bad I don't see them getting a lot of abuse. Maybe a lot of advice, and eventually people leaving the dungeon if it's not taken, but I don't know that I've seen a tank get abuse very often. It's happened here and there. Usually from a healer who's not very good trying to redirect blame onto a tank that's not over geared or, when leveling, at minimum level for the content being too squishy. Very rarely from DPS.

On the other hand, the reason I leveled PLD (and, later, War, which I play more often now) to 50 was because of the abuse tanks were giving in dungeons. Again, usually, when they ALSO weren't very good. I can't count the number of times tanks have been complete dicks in Copperbell Hard, for instance, while never using cooldowns, barely (if at all) holding aggro, and rarely using AoE aggro gain of any sort leading to a healer being attacked, and all while pulling single groups.

My first run in Steps of Faith I went in as DPS (because I always go in first as DPS to learn things without bringing down the party as much), and we failed because of a tank with an overinflated ego taking the lead and holding the adds nowhere near where the cannons could hit on the second or third day of it being out (I waited for family to do the newest MSQ when 2.55 dropped). We wiped like twice, he left, and the party fell apart. I queued again as a tank and we wiped once due to almost everyone being new (and the first dragon killer missing as a result), and passed the second time.

Nearly every horror story I could tell about dealing with toxic players or rubbing my face along a grater through dungeons has been toxic tanks. I can count on one hand the number of toxic DPS I've met as a tank and healer.

So, basically, this whole thing is odd to me because in my experience tanks are the most abusive group, followed by healers, and I only go into dungeons as a DPS when I'm with a tank I know (and I know and like a number of them), and if I'm going to solo DF I'm going in as war (or whm sometimes if it's healer in need but that's pretty rare). Or I'm leveling a DoW/DoM.