Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ

[Samcaesar]

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Considering I doubt the DoH and DoL aren't asking to instantly get level 60 tanks and just be able to go to Ishgard to continue gathering. Keep in mind people, SE is also apparently planning of making the story even easier (Well, I've read one or two things about that, but I can't exactly remember if it's true) to go through, which makes the claim "It's to slow down RMTs from expansion stuff!" just as bunk. They make it easier for new players, they make it easier for gil sellers as well.

People want to play FFXIV and they want to craft in it, maybe all their friends are going through combat stuff and they've chosen to be the FC crafter for everyone, why punish them for that? If SE isn't going to accommodate for people who love primarily doing DoH/DoL things and allow them to also access new content, why bother even having it? Plus they're ways to integrate DoH/DoL into Ishgard, SE just hasn't done it, a very simple thing of "Holy smokes PC! Ishgard is suddenly coming to us begging for business and is willing to give you a work visa! All that business in Ul'dah and sudden continuation of the Dravanian assault must have caused them to seek independent DoH/DoL for labor! Go get your butt up in there and craft for them!" There, suddenly 2.55 to 3.0 related story content for DoH/DoL.

[Alish]

Has SE stated you still need X class at 30 and 15 to play as the new Jobs? or will they be the only Jobs in the game where you can just walk into a building and instantly have a level 30 tanking, healing and/or DPS Job?

They will not have any job pre-requisites to access them, the only thing required is access to Ishgard. I assume there is going to be a job quest to full-fill but once that is done they will have access to play that new job that will start at level 30.

[Kiroh]

Some folks might want to play as an Au Ra through their first run through Eorzea. Alternatively they've got the extra money to buy it now, but might not in the future so they're buying it while they can.

I mean, IMHO WoW did this stuff better, as long as you had actually bought the expansion you could go to Outlands or Northrend, you couldn't do stuff there, but you could. Considering WoW is even less DoH/DoL based than FFXIV, there isn't a proper excuse. Story based or not, there's alternative things SE could do to allow DoH/DoL into Ishgard but they chose not too.

Oh and don't say "If you like WoW better the doors that way" It's condescending and doesn't properly answer the issue. WoW can do some things better just as FFXIV does a lot of things better.

Au'ra, level cap increases and new job skills/quests are not gated, the only thing that completion is required for is Ishgard and the areas beyond it and (naturally) the jobs you unlock IN Ishgard.

[Nestama]

So... the argument about "not allowing newbies to start at level 30" can still apply to people new to healing and tanking (those who have beaten Steps of Faith). Imagine having someone who has never touched GLA and MRD as your DRK tank for Haukke Manor or Brayflox. Double whammy with a DRK and AST combo (neither of which have touched GLA/MRD or CNJ).

[Tilgung]

With that philosophy then no one should be able to raid any content or do any dungeons until they have finished all the raids and dungeons up to HW.

Most of the post 2.0 dungeons are self contained side quests. So no, that philosophy doesn't apply.

And without spoiling much, the events in the Binding Coil of Bahamut are very self contained. I don't expect any connection, besides perhaps a minor throwback.

[Alish]

So... the argument about "not allowing newbies to start at level 30" can still apply to people new to healing and tanking (those who have beaten Steps of Faith). Imagine having someone who has never touched GLA and MRD as your DRK tank for Haukke Manor or Brayflox. Double whammy with a DRK and AST combo (neither of which have touched GLA/MRD or CNJ).

But those players will at-least be somewhat familiar with the content and how things are suppose to play out somewhat, so its not going to be as bad as someone who is fresh. Also having played with the same jobs in group compositions for awhile I think it should be easy for those players to understand the -basic- role that those jobs fulfill.

I will agree I think something could have been done to not content-lock the new jobs but with the approach SE has made toward this, this is the circumstance we have to deal with unfortunately.

[Omegakiyohime]

Welp, we almost went a week without this thread again. Hasn't this been argued to death already? I mean I haven't seen an original thought or idea that wasn't already stated and debated to death in the 15 other threads about this. It's just not happening and the most poignant reason is that the dev team has spoken and the only thing that will change their mind at this point is if this gating doesn't work come release, but it will because the MSQ is being made even easier and reward more exp.

[Samcaesar]

Au'ra, level cap increases and new job skills/quests are not gated, the only thing that completion is required for is Ishgard and the areas beyond it and (naturally) the jobs you unlock IN Ishgard.

We actually have no idea if the new job quests are gated. For all we know Level 55 WHM takes place in Ishgard communing with the elements there. Good luck grinding to 60 in areas that aren't scaled or have leves for folks past 50, which considering they've stated "Going through 50-60 will take as long as 1-50" it'll be an extraordinaire event to witness someone do that. And again, Au Ra (Specifically the Raen) make a hilariously little amount of sense being in Eorzea prior to 2.2's stuff, you can argue "You're just a body of light!" all you want, but Yugiri acting like she needs to wear a mask to prevent panic when you're playing as the exact thing she is makes absolutely 0 sense.

Again, SE can interweave DoH/DoL quests and give them a reason to go to Ishgard that works well within the story of FFXIV, but they haven't and that's just silly.

[Tilgung]

We actually have no idea if the new job quests are gated.

We actually do. It has been explicitly stated numerous times, during the latest Live Letters, that all of the new job guilds are in Ishgard. Which are officially translated and posted on these forums. If you chose not to read them, that's on you.

[Onikimaru]

We actually have no idea if the new job quests are gated. For all we know Level 55 WHM takes place in Ishgard communing with the elements there. Good luck grinding to 60 in areas that aren't scaled or have leves for folks past 50, which considering they've stated "Going through 50-60 will take as long as 1-50" it'll be an extraordinaire event to witness someone do that. And again, Au Ra (Specifically the Raen) make a hilariously little amount of sense being in Eorzea prior to 2.2's stuff, you can argue "You're just a body of light!" all you want, but Yugiri acting like she needs to wear a mask to prevent panic when you're playing as the exact thing she is makes absolutely 0 sense.

Again, SE can interweave DoH/DoL quests and give them a reason to go to Ishgard that works well within the story of FFXIV, but they haven't and that's just silly.

IIRC the job quests are available every 2 levels. 52-54-56-58-60?