Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ

[SDaemon]

It actually takes quite a bit of time to go through the entire MSQ at this point. Even more so if you were to include queuing times.

Not nearly as horribly time consuming as some people try to make it out to be though. The basic quests themselves take a trivial amount of time. The only time consuming portions of the MSQ are the trials and dungeons, and fortunately for the player-base there are not that many of them that are required.

[Parryacg]

Whoa Nelly, I was not the one who began referencing FF11. Nor was I whining about how it will be in HW. Direct your 'tude to where it is more constructive, thank you very much.

I'm sorry, my brain hurts too much right now because people can't seem to think, and I seem to lack reading comprehension.

[AnaviAnael]

I'm sorry, my brain hurts too much right now because people can't seem to think, and I seem to lack reading comprehension.

May I offer a cup of cocoa to appease the Primal of Lalafells? /offers cocoa.

[Parryacg]

May I offer a cup of cocoa to appease the Primal of Lalafells? /offers cocoa.

I am pleased with this. Have my very first thumbs up on the forums.

[Shneibel]

nah, why would you want RMT bot to invade Ishgard ? if there are BOT in ishgard in the future, hopefully only player BOT

I doubt botters will be hindered as much as new players will be by this.

Sadly but no, new player can do MSQ while lvl up their char to 50. Full MSQ from 2.0 to now take around 6h if you skip every CS and every dialog (time depend on your queue for dungeon)

[Whiteroom]

I just bought this game about a month ago, I've enjoyed the MSQ for the most part. Finding out every single thing in the game was gated behind them was kind of a shock, since I wasn't really aware of that coming into it. I tried to get my friend to play, but when he realised he couldn't do dungeons without doing the MSQ he was put off buying the game.

I get that the story is important, but gating a lot of the content behind quests some people might not really enjoy grinding through is kind of silly if you ask me.

The flipside being that there are a lot of people who like it this way. I really enjoy the set up. Its telling the story of the gowth of your character this way. I probably wouldn't still be playing if it was set up that you could just fate grind and do everything right away. You can't make everyone happy and that means some games are not for some people.

[Zfz]

Most if not all the arguments for removing the gating rely on the assumption that all new players want to do new content asap.

Or, put differently, the arguments assume that those kind of players are part of the target market for this game.

And the official decision to gate the expansion content probably is the answer.

[Kirito]

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I think it is also because the game really begins at lvl 50, so it is only logical for them to enforce players to go through main story. With all the quests after 2.0 story, it is pretty much a walk for them to 60.

[Callinon]

It still doesn't matter. FF11 =/= FF14 and FF14=/= FF11.

I used FF11 as an example because it's something a large percentage of people here have been exposed to. I could use other examples if you'd like...

You didn't need to finish Naxx40 to go to Outland
You didn't need to finish Sunwell to go to Northrend

Both of those would've been considered expansion completion in WoW.

You didn't need to finish your class storyline to go to Makeb in SWTOR
You didn't need to finish whatever the final raid ended up being in Rift to access Storm Legion.

What I'm saying is this is an MMO standard. Completion of the previous expansion's content is not normally required to access the next one, only the appropriate character level.

As for some of the other baseless assumptions people have tossed at me... (not from you)

I finished the 2.55 story the day it was released. I'm ready to go. I'm not raising this concern because I won't be able to access HW. I'm raising it because selling an expansion isn't supposed to work like this.

I also don't want free gear. I'm not sure why this always gets thrown in. It doesn't even seem to matter what the subject is. Weird.

I never said, even once, that a brand new player should be able to do the HW story without being the proper level. That would clearly be ridiculous. But being able to access the area and having access to the new jobs (specifically) is a pretty standard thing for an MMO expansion regardless of prior progression.

As someone pointed out, starting the Rise of the Zilart story required completion of the base FFXI story. That's true, and I'd forgotten about that. The fact is though, that was 12(?) years ago and MMOs have changed in the meantime. And again I'm not even talking about the HW story content. I'm talking about the areas.

[Samcaesar]

Seriously? I'd say allow it, there's no reason why an MMO should gate literally everything behind the entire 2.x series story (And probably the 2.x + 3.x story with the 4.x expansions.. And then the 2.x + 3.x + 4.x for the 5.x expansion because that's such a great idea right?)



To the folks saying "The plot says Ishgard doesn't want new people in Ishgard" - The plot of FFXIV is also constructed around the PC being accused of lots of stuff ousting them from Ul'dah. It's literally a plot that only works with one person in mind while playing the game. If "Plot says only those who go through 2.55 can go to Ishgard" The plot says the PC (Read one person) is allowed into Ishgard because that one person was being so helpful from the events of the recent few patches. So, why are multiple people (Read thousands) allowed whenever the plot is meant only for one person? If you're going with "Plot says warrior of light only not Disciple of hand of light!" then you must acknowledge it makes no sense for Ishgard to allow every PC into the game. Maybe make it for someone with a level 50 crafting ability to go through a small quest where you make some high level stuff for Ishgard as a way to allow them into the city, like "Ishgard is in desperate need of more supplies! PC! Make so many of X, Y, and Z, so you can get a work visa and be allowed into the city".

To the folks saying "Crafting is a side thing, this is a combat game!" - Crafting is as important as someone makes it. I know a good bit of people who spend all their time in this game just crafting, or at least just playing the game til they can craft, no grinding for Tomestones or ponies, no daily duty finder roulette, none of that. To them, Combat is just a side thing til they can safely go around and gather their various crafting materials. So, it's important to some people, why not make some dumb excuse to allow DoH/DoL into Ishgard? It's not cheapening your experience.

I can't remember everyone's responses to why they shouldn't do what the OP is suggestion, but still, it's such a bad idea to literally gate everything behind the entire 2.x series of plot with the exception of the new race (And that's one thing that also doesn't make sense in terms of the story). Heck, new players can't even step foot into Ishgard and look at all the new stuff they've got to look forward to. Considering someone payed 40 dollars (In the US anyways) to have access to the content, there's no good reason why they shouldn't at least be allowed to step through the gates. Sure gate story quests behind progressing through the story, that actually makes sense, but not the entire region.