expected dps in fcob

[Risvertasashi]

That's why I don't really like threads like this, because people compare in different ways... Not saying you did anything wrong, just have to be a little more clear.

I can get 700+ DPS as MNK before downtime if I'm lucky, but it much lower at the end of the fight

Well, a 2 minute dummy parse seems to be the kind of informal semi-standard so usually think on comparable lines to that. But yes, in the future I'll definitely be clearer.

[Zamii]

This is another reason I don't like threads like this... You can't always use things like that to compare to your average player. By average player, I don't mean casual players or something, cause it's the same for most hardcore players too.

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I don't know how low ping some NA players get either, but I'm pretty sure EU on average gets lower DPS because of higher ping, which people have to remember... Not as big difference as Japan though, which is shown in videos by Lucrezia, where they get DPS on some jobs that is literally impossible with the ping in the west.

please dont come crying ping, with the exception of ninja you can perform optimal dps on 200 or less on all classes.

anyways, the OP was asking about min/maxing essentially, which to me sounds like he doesnt want to be just an average player, and its always nice to have a goal to strive for, heck even lucrezia said themselves they were trying to push for a sub 5 min run on t10, which they managed to achieve later on.

[Zamii]

If BLM can do 500+ with echo in a group with even halfway competent dps I need to see it. The amount of downtime and how little you can actually aoe in add phase really destroys blm dps.

if you look at the DnT dps leaderboard, their highest PRE-ECHO blm was 530 for t13, and to be honest, they hardly ever have the highest parses out there so i wouldnt doubt theres someone higher again, just because you personally cant do it, doesnt mean others cant. just consider the posts you've received on this thread as motivation to push yourself harder.

[Meleoffs]

if you look at the DnT dps leaderboard, their highest PRE-ECHO blm was 530 for t13, and to be honest, they hardly ever have the highest parses out there so i wouldnt doubt theres someone higher again, just because you personally cant do it, doesnt mean others cant. just consider the posts you've received on this thread as motivation to push yourself harder.

Pre-echo isn't post echo. It's a completely different environment as adds don't get burned down quite so fast. I run with a nin that does 750 dps all the way until tera when we sit forever and he drops to 600. Nor did I ever say I was the best blm. I find it difficult to believe that a BLM could do > 515 WITH echo. I barely beat my pre-echo dps numbers because adds die so fast.

OneWinged, comparing SMN and BLM is absurd as you don't lose ALL your aoe in one GCD when an add you were targeting dies. You have a more reliable and consistent way of doing aoe than BLM does in a high dps echo fueled environment.


Also, 50 ping is worth 15-20 dps. That's a lot. Most western players play with somewhere between 40-90 ping. Worse in EU.

[OneWingedSora]

Snip.

Where did I compare BLM to SMN ? I said I did 573 on my BLM.

And lol @ BLM losing more DPS than SMN in a higher DPS group. Having an add die while you are trying to finish a flare cast is just bad chemistry with your group.

[Cynfael]

OneWinged, comparing SMN and BLM is absurd as you don't lose ALL your aoe in one GCD when an add you were targeting dies. You have a more reliable and consistent way of doing aoe than BLM does in a high dps echo fueled environment.

As SCH I find that my personal DPS takes a significant hit in phases where adds are instagibbed. At least BLM can get a whopping hit or two in; DoT AoE is severely blunted by abbreviated add phases.

[Zamii]

Pre-echo isn't post echo. It's a completely different environment as adds don't get burned down quite so fast. I run with a nin that does 750 dps all the way until tera when we sit forever and he drops to 600. Nor did I ever say I was the best blm. I find it difficult to believe that a BLM could do > 515 WITH echo. I barely beat my pre-echo dps numbers because adds die so fast.

OneWinged, comparing SMN and BLM is absurd as you don't lose ALL your aoe in one GCD when an add you were targeting dies. You have a more reliable and consistent way of doing aoe than BLM does in a high dps echo fueled environment.


Also, 50 ping is worth 15-20 dps. That's a lot. Most western players play with somewhere between 40-90 ping. Worse in EU.

my point was it should give a base line to aim for, its not exactly like echo will lower your dps.

anyway, im not overly interested in arguing ping, if people want to believe thats why they do low dps, then be my guest, but if i followed that logic i wouldnt be doing nearly as well as i do.

[Skeith-Adeline]

With lower raid DPS, it was very possible to bloat your numbers to high hell in T13 with incessant AoE during the add phase, so hitting 500+ without Echo isn't implausible. The only fight in Final Coil where bloating really wasn't an option was T11 (which I still think is one of the best fight to truly judge a BLMs worth pre-echo). Also, I kinda see it hard for BLMs NOT to hit 500+ in T13, even with great DPS. Even the times when I come out of Add phase in horrible shape (480s after Tera), I can still leverage out at 525+.

[Meleoffs]

With lower raid DPS, it was very possible to bloat your numbers to high hell in T13 with incessant AoE during the add phase, so hitting 500+ without Echo isn't implausible. The only fight in Final Coil where bloating really wasn't an option was T11 (which I still think is one of the best fight to truly judge a BLMs worth pre-echo). Also, I kinda see it hard for BLMs NOT to hit 500+ in T13, even with great DPS. Even the times when I come out of Add phase in horrible shape (480s after Tera), I can still leverage out at 525+.

I suppose the problem lies with me then. I guess its fair to mention I don't use food or pots. Too much of a cheapass at this point and people are hyper overcharging (30k per for flints fml, and 6-7k per int) for things.

[Risvertasashi]

I suppose the problem lies with me then. I guess its fair to mention I don't use food or pots. Too much of a cheapass at this point and people are hyper overcharging (30k per for flints fml, and 6-7k per int) for things.

While pots and food help, good DPS starts with a good rotation and knowing how to maximize efficient while dealing with encounter mechanics. I'd focus on these two things before worrying about consumables.