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    Not all the enemies we fight are killed. Halatali HM isn't a mindless slaughter. Its a Gladiator's arena.

    As to the slaughter we do do, it's worth noting that said enemies have other narrative reasons for being seen as enemies. The Kobalds who are mentioned are part of the forces in developing more and more powerful bombs in the Beast Tribe quests. The Kobalds are on a war footing and many of the upper orders are quite oppressive to the lower ones. I did all my Kobald kills doing beast tribe dailies FOR Kobalds. Same for the Amaljaa and the Sahagin. Though in the Amaljaa and the Ixali cases both tribes are actively on a war footing driven by a lust for power and their primal's hunger.

    Most dungeons and FATES have a good reason narratively why we are doing them. We aren't just mindlessly slaughtering. We are there to help or protect our allies or stop a villainous plot.

    Yes we kill a lot and that shouldn't be ignored. However we don't kill mindlessly or for just a lust for power. Narratively speaking at least. :P

    To be honest, I think the thing about the story of the Zodiac Braves that interests me the most is the bit we learn at the very end on why they were called the Zodiac braves.

    A reoccurring demon called Zodiac that the Zodiac Braves were each called on to slay and in turn awoke their sentient weapons? Zodiac.... hmm... That name sounds kind of similar to another name in this game... Regardless of any connection, this demon intrigues me.
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    And so, my attempts to be deep and insightful go over the heads of all but one person.

    Welp, back to just being hyped for the expansion. And doing calculus, but that isn't fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    And so, my attempts to be deep and insightful go over the heads of all but one person.

    Welp, back to just being hyped for the expansion. And doing calculus, but that isn't fun.
    I mean, you're talking about cognitive dissonance, but that only works if you don't have to pick and choose what to take literally in the first place.
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    We also are not sure of the context behind them killing those monsters (and Garleans) maybe there was ANOTHER invading force? The tales speak of beast tribes kidnapping a Zodiac Brave's loved ones? It's kind of easy to point fingers when we don't know the whole story. Maybe the Hierarch that held my Nirvana was a remorseless killer, maybe he just defended his/her people.

    If the full stories HAVE been released and collected, then I'll eat my Dreadwyrm hood, until then, we can just speculate.
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    You know, if my depth and insight keep going over your head, you might one day catch them!


    (Yes, I'm trolling. No, I won't spoon-feed you what I'm getting at.)
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    You're just layered like an onion, aren't you? =P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allyrion View Post
    You're just layered like an onion, aren't you? =P
    How about like a parfait? Parfaits have layers.
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    I love me some parfait!
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  9. #29
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    I'm not a parfait, OK? I'm like tiramisu, except instead of sugar and sweetness I'm harsh and bitter!

    So I'm not like tiramisu at all!
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    I think it was mentioned when you're picking up the books that these aren't the exact same monster types that the Zodiac Braves fought, but Eorzean equivalents. So while you may be hounding Amalj'aa or Sahagin or Garleans, it was probably other beastman tribes or enemy Spoken forces that the Zodiac Braves fought back in the day.
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