o.O Overkill on the crafting Dumb down?

[Esk]

On a side note 1st page when sorted by Reply's and still no Dev comments... Pft...

An if were gona keep going, can we please focus on the merits/Flaws of the changes, rather then fighting about why people do/don't want them.
And what's Bad or good about each part of th changes as well as just overall support/dislike of them lol

[Esk]

There are no opinions in these forums. Just a cesspool of whines and moans. Kinda hard to take this place seriously

BS m8, we've had a lot of constructive posting in here for an against parts/all of the changes listed.
It's more comments like your current ones that turn it into QQ'ing and moaning.

[Fensfield]

There are no opinions in these forums. Just a cesspool of whines and moans. Kinda hard to take this place seriously

Really? Well, now there are.

I don't like the proposed changes. I feel fairly certain they undermine what chance remains of Final Fantasy XIV developing an EVE-esque dynamic economy as the developers originally hoped it would, rather than the much simpler and less engaging economies of the standard 'theme park' MMO's.

That may be what some people want, but it isn't what I want.

If enough people express similar, perhaps the developers will change their minds - or perhaps they won't, and I'll have to live with that.

One expressed opinion. Enjoy. .. Or just go back to making sweeping statements about your fellow posters; your choice.

[PrettyPrincess]

On a side note 1st page when sorted by Reply's and still no Dev comments... Pft...

An if were gona keep going, can we please focus on the merits/Flaws of the changes, rather then fighting about why people do/don't want them.
And what's Bad or good about each part of th changes as well as just overall support/dislike of them lol

This is a skill that most people cannot grasp.

[PrettyPrincess]

Really? Well, now there is.

I don't like the proposed changes. I feel fairly certain they undermine what chance remains of Final Fantasy XIV having an EVE-esque dynamic economy, rather than the much simpler and less engaging economies of the standard 'theme park' MMO's.

That may be what some people want, but it isn't what I want.

If enough people express similar, perhaps the developers will change their minds - or perhaps they won't.

One expressed opinion, enjoy.

Your "opinion" is moot until the changes actually take place

[Fensfield]

Your "opinion" is moot until the changes actually take place

If the developers felt the same way, then I'm sure they wouldn't have informed us prior to making the changes, nor have given us a tag under which to discuss the plan (which, by the by, this thread would really benefit from having in its title).

Until that changes, so's yours. Likely a fair bit moreso than mine.

And.. I've put an ignore on your posts; they're far from constructive and more than a little rude. So, sorry, but I won't be arguing with you further.. or seeing your attempts to argue with me, for that matter.

[Esk]

Saying people shouldn't debate known changes before they happen, is like not saying don't shoot till you've already been shot.

Discussing and comments on the changes may (OK it's unlikely but possible) effect the devs plans.
In that respect alone its worth doing, that way if people who dont go on forums come here to complain, the devs cant use the classic excuse of, but we didnt know, that ive seem used maybe times before if something is really disliked by players.

Much aking to NGE. they knew they were right... even though players said no a lot.
And still tried to play the but, but we didn't realise card eventually, after giving up on the no no its ok eventually.
(AN NO IM NOT COMPAIRING THIS TO THAT IN THAT WAY! lol)

Anyway Off topic.. so back on topic please asap

[TheVedis]

On a side note 1st page when sorted by Reply's and still no Dev comments... Pft...

An if were gona keep going, can we please focus on the merits/Flaws of the changes, rather then fighting about why people do/don't want them.
And what's Bad or good about each part of th changes as well as just overall support/dislike of them lol

# of replies has nothing to do with wether or not a dev replies(most of my threads get dev responses with less then 20 replies)
and the fact that 90% of the replies are worthless whining doesnt help it at all

[Arcell]

For me the pros are:

-accessible craft system for new players
-less unnecessary parts that are only used for a single item and tossed aside after.
-fewer/no more obnoxious craft rank requirements for low rank gear due to parts (cavalry bow being my favorite example)
-dye system vastly improved
-larger market for items that are actually commonly used.
-some classes (like armorer) not forced to rank one-four additional classes just to make certain gear.

Cons

-less reason (outside of self-sufficiency) to rank multiple/all crafts.
-no current use for guild marks (alternatives in planning)

Speculation

-crafters will have to grind on finished items instead of parts.
-rare items (like great buffalo horn) may still have a place in the finished items that previously needed them but in a slightly different manner.

Of course all opinions but that's how I feel.

[AamesxDavid]

As I was reading the dev post about the changes, I thought everything stated was insanely obvious. The current system is so counter-intuitive, I can't believe anyone put it in the game to begin with. Now they're proposing to fix that, and people are complaining. I really shouldn't be surprised after the same complaints about repair materials, but here we go again.

Firstly, can changes like this go overboard, and simplify the game to the point of absurdity? Absolutely. We should be very watchful of simplifications, because they can easily take the fun out of the game.

What we shouldn't do is automatically go into an uproar at the proposal of any simplification without regard to its merits. That's great if you enjoy hoarding hundreds of different materials and switching between 5 different classes to make each material to finally make the weapon you wanted.. but realize you're on the extreme end of the spectrum - it's a completely inaccessible system for someone who only wants to focus on one or two crafts, which is most players. And that's not personal bias; I'm leveling every craft save culinarian. But even with that, I can see how unnecessary crafting requirements currently are.

Players should have options. Simplifying recipes does nothing to limit your ability to choose to craft a million different items across as many classes as you want. The current system, on the other hand, severely limits a player's ability to craft the majority of the items in their discipline simply by the materials required to make them. Can you really not step back from your own play style for a minute and see that?

You should be rewarded for going beyond a particular crafting class to improve and diversify your skill set. It should not be require of you.

/speech