Please disable changing Cleric Stance during combat for make healer focus on healing.

[amihavingfunyet]

Still doesn't make healer damage mandatory. Go get some more gear or stop dying to stupid.

So how dead is your realm that you do realm first raiding and still don't see the reason for healers DPSing?
Gear is sparse when you start progressing. I never said it's mandatory as it clearly is not according to the interview, but in early progression you don't have much choice in gear and are usually under the expectations of the dev team (What is the ilvl they consider appropriate? The highest you could have before the content was released? Or the requirement they put on DF queueing?). And mistakes do happen in progression.
Maybe your group won't blame you for it, I know I wouldn't. But I'd damn myself for not pushing harder.

Edit: Looking at your lodestone, you are an ~ i100 Bard, with no healer at level 50. And you are trying to tell me I shouldn't DPS when I don't have anything better to do with my time?

[Cynfael]

Nothing is "mandatory." No one can force players to adopt a specific play style (particularly if it's a beneficial one to learn, ironically enough).

However, if one wants to be a good player, there are things one will take the initiative to do in one's role. Similarly, if the team has a vested interest in players being skilled so that it boosts the group effort, they will probably express that expectation.

Edit: Can't help but notice that the OP has 10 thumbs up now. It's really disheartening that even 10 people support drastically lowering the skill ceiling on this role and gutting the fun and effectiveness of skilled players. I do wish that people would think more carefully or even learn something about the game before posting pieces like this.

[Greven]

They will not disable Cleric Stance due to your whim, quite the opposite. Healers can DPS, face it.

If you are an healer and you don't want to DPS it's okay, it's not mandatory, just a plus. Never ever heard someone even asking me to DPS when I don't and I play healer from release.

If you're not an healer well.. start working your role better before even think to limit other players possibilities.

[Saseal]

Just to give some idea of the difference between non-Cleric'd DPS and Cleric'd DPS....

WHM, non-partied, lvl 50 housing striking dummy, ilvl 128, 632 Mind -
I went and slapped a striking dummy with stone II a few times and generally saw these ranges (it's just a range I happened to see so there are chances numbers can go higher and lower)

Non Cleric'd Stone II: 234 - 255, with 374 crit
Cleric's Stone II: 650 - 706, with 1024 crit

Non-Cleric'd Holy: 284-300, with 424 crit
Cleric'd Holy: 763-816, with 1207 crit

Yes, Cleric isn't mandatory to DPS - but it makes a HUGE difference >_>

[Nadirah]

How dead is my realm? Was most populated in NA.

Was high pop NA.

Oh wait, I forgot, this is the only game with top end raiding. My bad.

[DarkmoonVael]

Still doesn't make healer damage mandatory. Go get some more gear or stop dying to stupid.

And you have just managed to completely ignore how healer damage contributes to raids and what yoshi-p actually states in the quote. Healer DPS is there to push if you want to, and yoshi-p acknowledges that healer DPS is still there for progression orientated raid groups. You know what this means? It means they are hovering at the gear threshold for the raid, and need other means to push DPS. How do they do this you ask? Well healer DPS.

With a 1 % wipe and no healer DPS, its kind of obvious to anyone that if the healers decided to contribute DPS it wouldnt have been a wipe but a success.

But again, it comes down to Cleric Stance being a huge skill tester for a healer. For those who lack the skill to do this, then thats fine. Just dont expect an ability to be removed because you can not use it. Its getting silly now and coming accross as hugely self-entitled.

[sharazisspecial]

Instead of Healer DPS can you guys say SCH dps instead. The 50 or something dps Whm adds is kind of useless compared to the 300+dps sch adds. Its better for WHM to solo heal, because thats overall more dps for you then having both healers share the dps role.
Im talking about times where healer dps actually matters (progression coil).

[Seryl199]

Instead of Healer DPS can you guys say SCH dps instead. The 50 or something dps Whm adds is kind of useless compared to the 300+dps sch adds. Its better for WHM to solo heal, because thats overall more dps for you then having both healers share the dps role.
Im talking about times where healer dps actually matters (progression coil).

Why does it matter? The suggestion made here is a change with wide sweeping strokes that will affect all healers in all content, greatly reducing the efficacy in which they can DPS. Healer DPS is relevant as soon as the healer decides to turn on cleric stance and start DD'ing, regardless of content. Coil specifically has an established paradigm of SCH DPS'ing because of ACC requirements, and mainly the ability to ignore them, but as a WHM I'd lose the ability to DPS effectively in light parties, FATEs, hunts, CT, primals. While Coil may be the cutting edge for healer DPS, it is by no means the only place it happens.

[raela]

Not gonna touch the dps argument..

It happens to sprint/swiftcast as well , occasionally first press wont register. Maybe its because i am EU although my ms is only 100.

So you can see why i think current cleric stance is clunky...

I am in the US and still see this issue if I press swiftcast too quickly after my last action (or panic and try to drop cleric right after I used a skill). I've taken it as an issue with myself and realized I need to pause for a moment after certain skills, plus verify I've received the intended effect (not out of CS? OK, try again).

[Sebazy]

I really don't enjoy DPSing in the slightest, I've been a career healer pretty much since Everquest's release in 1999 and I'll plead guilty to avoiding playing SCH in raids pretty much because I'm not and likely never will be particularly good at putting out DPS numbers that the job is capable of.

However, I don't agree with the OPs opinion in the slightest and I'd go as far as saying that it's an absolutely idiotic idea that would maybe pander to a minority of players who are flat out unwilling to adapt to the abilities demands whilst also taking offence to those that suggest they try. DPSing healers are far from the norm and outside of progression FCs it's not really an expected thing. If you don't like it, just don't use it. If someone suggests you try, then simply add that you're not comfortable with the ability and don't want to risk causing any needless wipes.