I sure hope HW is not going to be more armor grind treadmill!

[Jasmine_Aurelia]

Well, truth be told, it's something I expect out of an MMO because I always thought that was the point. Coming at an MMO from a solo/anti-social stand-point I'm of the opinion there are much better single-player games out there that evoke the kind of grind you get from a lot of MMO games available.

The problem with this line of thinking is, it makes people have to wait to form parties. People don't want to wait, they may not have time to wait, they may just want to enjoy a constantly updated continuing world, without the need to wait. There is no way to know what makes people choose an MMO, but to force people to wait to enjoy something is wrong.

[Caraway]

The problem with this line of thinking is, it makes people have to wait to form parties. People don't want to wait, they may not have time to wait, they may just want to enjoy a constantly updated continuing world, without the need to wait. There is no way to know what makes people choose an MMO, but to force people to wait to enjoy something is wrong.

True enough, to a point. And it's actually something I've been boggled by with some of SE's design decisions. Guild Wars 2 seems to have done this the best with the way they handle multi-server functionality. You can bring people into your server or temporarily go to theirs as need be and you can always talk to other people no matter where they are, making the community all the bigger for it. Less waiting, more social.

[Jasmine_Aurelia]

As long as you don't need to wait to do content, I don't care how its done.

The best way to do that is to make the game as soloable, yes, some content needs groups, but the majority of the game should...actually hold on, the majority of the content should scale to group size? Would that make both camps happy?

[Gramul]

They were not good games. Sorry this is a struggle for you to accept.

I'm not in the mood for this type of poppycock at the moment so I hope you don't mind if I just drop the old link here:

http://pbskids.org/arthur/games/factsopinions/

[Instrumentality]

I'm not in the mood for this type of poppycock at the moment so I hope you don't mind if I just drop the old link here:

http://pbskids.org/arthur/games/factsopinions/

Sorry you're unable to accept the validity of my statement.

MMOs being bad is only a minor impediment to people enjoying those games. When the enjoyment of an MMO comes because of the players and in spite of the game, the game is bad. The players can be amazing and cool and people you want to spend the next five years playing games with and how you derive all of your enjoyment from the game.

That doesn't make the game good.

[Cutie_McSnuggles]

Am I the only one that thinks is strange that people seem to want MMO's to be chat rooms first and games second?

[Cakekizy]

Sorry you're unable to accept the validity of my statement.

MMOs being bad is only a minor impediment to people enjoying those games. When the enjoyment of an MMO comes because of the players and in spite of the game, the game is bad. The players can be amazing and cool and people you want to spend the next five years playing games with and how you derive all of your enjoyment from the game.

That doesn't make the game good.

Saying the games are bad is a subjective judgment, also known as an opinion, not a fact.

[Mimilu]

As long as you don't need to wait to do content, I don't care how its done.

The best way to do that is to make the game as soloable, yes, some content needs groups, but the majority of the game should...actually hold on, the majority of the content should scale to group size? Would that make both camps happy?

...What's the point of making an MMORPG, a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER online role-playing game, solo-able?
Why not just play a single-player game if you want to play by yourself?

[NadienKirisame]

Nah, they're definitely bad.

Bad to you which is an opinion no matter how much you think that what you say is a fact it is not sorry... I know it is hard for you to take that your opinion is just that an opinion but it is...
You humans always thinking that what you say is right and thinking anything else is wrong... no wonder you keep wanting to fight with each other and you will never know peace... haha.

The cat is bemused =-.-=

[Sapphic]

...What's the point of making an MMORPG, a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER online role-playing game, solo-able?
Why not just play a single-player game if you want to play by yourself?

Because not everyone likes to be limited in what they can do when friends arent around to party with. Having a history with MMOs with enforced partying aka, FFXI and EQ, I much prefer being able to, when I want to, log on and do my own thing without worrying if the people are available, and when friends are on then I can do party stuff.

Forced grouping is only sustainable when there are enough players at each level bracket. Which only happens at release when the majority are levelling. If you didn't keep up with the crowd you got left behind, which meaned even less players to party with which extended the time even more. No-one wants to be waiting hours looking for something as basic as being able to level anymore. Myself included, I want to play, not sit in another Jueno or Freeport for hours on end hoping for an XP party, or for enough players to join.