If you disable cleric stance during combat, when would you use it?

[Risvertasashi]

Genuinely curious. What are the out-of-combat applications of cleric stance?

[Atlaworks]

Uh. None, actually. I mean seriously none. That's because it's... not a combat skill. If it were toggleable out of combat I imagine the intention is that you prep it in advance while soloing.

If this is in regards to the other topic today, this could have been merged with it, probably.

[Risvertasashi]

Uh. None, actually. I mean seriously none. That's because it's... not a combat skill. If it were toggleable out of combat I imagine the intention is that you prep it in advance while soloing.

If this is in regards to the other topic today, this could have been merged with it, probably.

That would kinda suck for healing oneself in solo content with harder hitting mobs, though.

And, yeah, I just didn't want to get tangled up in should a healer DPS flamewars.

[Atlaworks]

you know, you're probably the wisest one of us all to back away slowly from that! Good on you.

And yeah it would probably suck for gimping heals. I dunno, I imagine the idea just isn't thought out super well. I can see the intent behind it, but generally lowering a class's options is not a good idea if you can help it. Damage, maybe, but you don't want to deny people options.

[Risvertasashi]

you know, you're probably the wisest one of us all to back away slowly from that! Good on you.

Well... It might just follow us here, but at least for now, we're having a reasonable discussion.

I can see the intent behind it, but generally lowering a class's options is not a good idea if you can help it.

Agreed wholeheartedly. And I will admit I'm kind of excited about the options we're getting from the new skills.

[Ghishlain]

As Faust mentioned, if assuming that particular poster was thinking "it can't be toggled during combat" pretty much prep all your HoT's / Mitigations before you engage a single mob, then kill that single mob and restore your HP?

Could you imagine the shenanigans that can happen if a tank pulls a mob train while you're still in Cleric's and you can't toggle out? Commence the lulz!

If Clerics Stance was suddenly "ineffectual" in combat, you would hear all the CNJs/WHMs screaming for a new ability because that effectively makes Clerics Stance a useless ability in the spell book.

[Atlaworks]

If Clerics Stance was suddenly "ineffectual" in combat, you would hear all the CNJs/WHMs screaming for a new ability because that effectively makes Clerics Stance a useless ability in the spell book.

They're very loud. I still don't have something to replace Haymaker or One-Ilm Punch in my MNK skill list.

I do like the look of the new healer role skills in Heavensward, though. Aero3 seems to accomplish the AoE DPS without being near as intrusive as Holy is in parties, which I enjoy the sound of.

[desufin]

You forgot the SCH and upcoming AST would complain as well if Cleric Stance was made ineffective. Actually I would suspect more SCH than CNJ/WHM would complain about it but it's just a suspicion.

[Ghishlain]

They're very loud. I still don't have something to replace Haymaker or One-Ilm Punch in my MNK skill list.

While I agree, the key defining point is Haymaker / One-Ilm Punch / other moves of similar nature are at least still "remotely useful on the borderline of useless". By making "Clerics Stance" do nothing, it is the epitome of "useless" and should be replaced with something. Yes, I know, it's a small semantics things, but I feel its an important semantic because at least everything else in this game is remotely useful at some form of the game (yes, even Tri-Disaster in PvP).

You forgot the SCH and upcoming AST would complain as well if Cleric Stance was made ineffective. Actually I would suspect more SCH than CNJ/WHM would complain about it but it's just a suspicion.

The reason I said specifically CNJ/WHM is because at least SCH and AST will have the option to CC something else. CNJ/WHMs won't have that option if they do make Cleric's Stance useless, sadly.

With that being said, I'm not saying any other cross class at this time will actually be useful either >>; I guess I can take Blizzard II on SCH if I don't have access to Cleric Stance for the bind effect. . .?

[Risvertasashi]

As Faust mentioned, if assuming that particular poster was thinking "it can't be toggled during combat" pretty much prep all your HoT's / Mitigations before you engage a single mob, then kill that single mob and restore your HP?

Could you imagine the shenanigans that can happen if a tank pulls a mob train while you're still in Cleric's and you can't toggle out? Commence the lulz!

If Clerics Stance was suddenly "ineffectual" in combat, you would hear all the CNJs/WHMs screaming for a new ability because that effectively makes Clerics Stance a useless ability in the spell book.

I am actually really curious about precisely how Assize will work, and if/how Cleric will affect it. Well, not too much longer till the expac...