Please disable changing Cleric Stance during combat for make healer focus on healing.

[Urielparadox]

You pointed out what's called "normal spell progression.". That's not " new DPs spells", that's "new ranks to existing spells to account for more levels."

This is not true for heavensward. As an actual dps the majority the new abilities are limited use and burst damage, the new abilities are not what you would call normal spell progression, if it was fire 4 would be aoe, not need enokin, and refresh Astral fire. They stated in the live letters that whm was getting new dps spells because it's dps wasn't as strong as it should be, that means that they calculated healer dps into the content, but hey ignore the live letter what does SE know about what they designed anyway? Dps is part of being a healer it is not optional, it is a requirement in ff14. If you don't healer dps you are lazy, not being able to stance because your too busy watching netflix while your dps and tanks are busting their butt is called being selfish, and only think about yourself.

[ThinkPInk]

This is utter nonsense. I don't consider a healer bad if he/she doesn't dps. Dpsing while healing is an added bonus. I'll dps when/if I choose to but feeling like you have some kind of right to demand that I do is a surefire way of guaranteeing that I won't.

[desufin]

Yes it is.

No it isn't. Come back to me when Stun doesn't have diminishing returns and bosses (especially Coil bosses) can be stunned. THEN you can argue that Holy is a mitigation tool. Until then it is as much of a mitigation tool as regular DPS is, which yes it is a mitigation tool as the faster you kill something the less damage you take, but you DON'T compare DPS to actual mitigation tools like that. You just don't.

[Nadirah]

People who just want to do the absolute minimum are demonized, which describes most anti-DPS healers, and I'm frankly okay with that. Healers aren't special snowflakes who get to stand around blatantly doing nothing or sitting on 5k MP "just in case".

My biggest problem honestly with trying is target switching.

I don't hard target players in other games for healing, I heal exclusively with mouse over macros with the boss targeted or through implied targeting through said boss. I'm used to keeping debuffs up as well.

The macro system sucks and the UI sucks. Maybe HW and modding will fix it.

[KhemSanjari]

People who just want to do the absolute minimum are demonized, which describes most anti-DPS healers, and I'm frankly okay with that. Healers aren't special snowflakes who get to stand around blatantly doing nothing or sitting on 5k MP "just in case".

This is basically it. Tank is at full HP. WHM has regen up and Selene is doing whatever she's doing. What are you going to do? Stand there and twiddle your thumbs until you wait for something to happen? No, you pop cleric stance, throw a few DoTs down and then come out of it when people need healing. Hell, Lustrate still works in cleric. Helping with the DPS helps the fight go faster and is fun. If I recall, our SCH DPS'd a little in our Turn 13 Kill back in the day and it really helped.

[Mendalas]

The title of this thread just makes me face-palm.

I love stance dancing, but I do agree with Terrini on the fact that there shouldn't be a cd when you switch into Cleric Stance.

[Verdan]

No it isn't. Come back to me when Stun doesn't have diminishing returns and bosses (especially Coil bosses) can be stunned. THEN you can argue that Holy is a mitigation tool. Until then it is as much of a mitigation tool as regular DPS is, which yes it is a mitigation tool as the faster you kill something the less damage you take, but you DON'T compare DPS to actual mitigation tools like that. You just don't.

Holy would be instant and non-spammable as a mitigation tool. As it is, it's a dps skill that you can use as short CC.

[Atlaworks]

Snip!

Yeah, and communication rocks! I'm not saying everyone is super aggressive about their opinions. More than is necessary or wise certainly, but not all. And hey, the OP has an opinion- even if it's kind of uninformed and can be implemented better, I get where he's coming from. I mean, I agreed with him myself at a few points in my play time, so I can sort of relate. I mean, I don't agree now, of course, but I don't have to go insulting dudes to express my stance(hah!) on the subject.

[Nadirah]

This is not true for heavensward. As an actual dps the majority the new abilities are limited use and burst damage, the new abilities are not what you would call normal spell progression, if it was fire 4 would be aoe, not need enokin, and refresh Astral fire. They stated in the live letters that whm was getting new dps spells because it's dps wasn't as strong as it should be, that means that they calculated healer dps into the content, but hey ignore the live letter what does SE know about what they designed anyway? Dps is part of being a healer it is not optional, it is a requirement in ff14. If you don't healer dps you are lazy, not being able to stance because your too busy watching netflix while your dps and tanks are busting their butt is called being selfish, and only think about yourself.

You didn't read the interview where they explicitly don't count healer DPS either.

[Seig345]

Ultimately, I disagree with the OP's sentiment to disable the use of Cleric Stance in dungeons. As has already been pointed out, it would really only serve to restrict those skilled enough to use it well for something that's more or less the fault of over angsty players who want to see min/max in random DF pugs (a min/maxing DF PUG is sort of an oxymoron of sorts), not the system itself.

But it's also silly to expect min/maxing in a DF PUG; the teamwork in a DF PUG is about bringing down the content, period. If you want every player to be on the same page about approaching the content with the same strategy every time, you're not going to get that by being impatient and throwing yourself into a randomized group. You might luck out with willing and skilled participants from time to time, but you'll inevitably hit a brick wall from time to time as well if you shuffle your group every time.