I sure hope HW is not going to be more armor grind treadmill!

[Blissa]

I sure hope HeavensWard is not going to be more armor grind treadmill. I have lost too many friends since release. My guild has 199 members and I only know 5 people. Why you ask? Because the turn over rate is so high.

People buy the game and join my guild. And then grind armor like crazy and when they get their gear they quit due to boardem. Unless you gather or craft there is nothing to do besides grind armor and level. Hopefully HeavensWard adds some depth to the game because I am sick of losing friends.

[Callinon]

Still a vertical game.

Btw it's common for people playing a game like this casually to come in for a patch, do whatever they want to do, and then unsub until the next patch. Yoshi P even remarked on it in a live letter and he's fine with that pattern.

[Blissa]

Still a vertical game.

Btw it's common for people playing a game like this casually to come in for a patch, do whatever they want to do, and then unsub until the next patch. Yoshi P even remarked on it in a live letter and he's fine with that pattern.

That pattern sucks because you have no community. A strong community is what keeps people playing for years on end. The only reason why I am still playing since release is I got into crafting, gathering and housing. Or I would have been gone a long time ago. I don't know how much more I can take watching FC mates come and go like a revolving door. By the time you get to know someone they quit!

[desufin]

Prepare to be disappointed. The vertical progression has more or less already been confirmed with the gear differences between tome gear, raid gear (normal) and raid gear (savage) being even bigger than they are now. I do wish we could get some side-grade pieces that might not have the BEST stats but provide some other form of unique bonus but I don't think we'll see it for some time just yet.

[Mugiawara]

Games probably always going to be a Vertamill Treadpark.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

The thing I hated most about the treadmill was how expert roulette was handled. Doing the same 3 dungeons for the entire patch period get old real quickly and was the reason for my most recent break. It really needs to be handled better from here on out.

[Nekodar]

Gear treadmill will be there with both vertical and horizontal progression.

That said, is such a big FC really the best option for you? Smaller FC with a more tightly knit group sounds like it would be better, complemented with linkshells for the social aspect... or the other way around. A small linkshell for your core group of friends, and FC and other linkshells for the social aspect.

[Blissa]

Gear treadmill will be there with both vertical and horizontal progression.

That said, is such a big FC really the best option for you? Smaller FC with a more tightly knit group sounds like it would be better, complemented with linkshells for the social aspect... or the other way around. A small linkshell for your core group of friends, and FC and other linkshells for the social aspect.

At most we have 30 people on at a time and like I say people quit all the time. And then the guild leader kicks them after 90 days. She has to keep inviting a lot of people to keep the guild going or it would die.

[WellFooled]

The thing I hated most about the treadmill was how expert roulette was handled. Doing the same 3 dungeons for the entire patch period get old real quickly and was the reason for my most recent break. It really needs to be handled better from here on out.

I agree. I'm fine with some vertical progression (its good to always have something to work towards), but it is disappointing that every patch's combat content replaces what came before it instead of adding to it.

[Mahri]

I like grinding gear because it gives me more pretty princess dressup options.

Teach your friends to embrace their inner princess and they will never leave.