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    Quote Originally Posted by jomoru View Post
    Well ultimately we have two things to argue from, what the Devs might have been inspired by Or developing psychic powers and reading their brains directly.
    Yes let's read their brains !

    *Focus on reading Koji and Oda's brains*

    Okay I'm in ! Let's search for those naming conventions now.... Oh what's this ? 3.0 revelations ?

    Oh dear, oh no this can't be hapenning, no no nooooooooooo!!!! *collapse*
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    Quote Originally Posted by lololink View Post
    Yes let's read their brains !

    *Focus on reading Koji and Oda's brains*

    Okay I'm in ! Let's search for those naming conventions now.... Oh what's this ? 3.0 revelations ?

    Oh dear, oh no this can't be hapenning, no no nooooooooooo!!!! *collapse*
    I got ya Lololink. <Swift Cast -> Resurrection>

    If what's in their heads is that bad I neither want to know nor attempt this again. So I guess we're back to inference and wild speculation.
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    I like to think Yoshi-P's inspiration for the Au Ra was Doranekodan(slightly NSFW). Well, that or Pangolin because Pangolin are awesome and every game should have a Pangolin race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
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    Steppes often have very short sparse vegetation, most that's there is underground or only gets few inches past it unless if it's some sort of bush, hardly enough foliage to cover themselves up. I primarily saw it in a hunting sense, but I suppose it could be in other ways.

    I've mentioned that large builds function just fine in Steppe topography, as a side note the largest man in the world is a Mongolian so there's something going on with them! That's the thing, the girls were literally designed to look like something you'd want to protect, so I doubt they had "Lean and lethal" in mind whenever making them or their lore. They're incredibly frail looking, and unless if the muscular system of the Auri vastly differs between men and women (Which doesn't generally happen for a lot of reasons!) the Auri girls probably don't do anything. Likewise, if men were just stuck home, (Which is a little silly, they're nomadic people, homes are very temporary and they can easily hunt on the go) then that's not an efficient allocation of tribe members. It'd just be better to have the group generally together so accidents that separate the men and women of a tribe entirely don't occur.

    Carnivorous plants /do exist/ and sentient rock creatures have a basis in a lot of mythology. All the dev team does is take one or two liberties with the myth or creature. Magic works /with/ logic though. Gravity will pull things to the earth (Dalamud) unless if a significant amount of force keeps things away (Aether). It's all about building up from reality and having consistent rules. Sentient rock creatures don't just exist for no reason, they exist because Aether is the life force within sentient creatures and some mass of rocks just happened to get a continuous surge of it, giving it a soul as it would a newborn.

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    Crossbreeding has been confirmed though with mixed races children as well.

    If we don't selective breed for traits consciously (Which I disagree with, racist people tend to support eugenics quite consciously for example), then neither would the Au Ra, the key word is consciously though. The Au Ra

    Beast race probably won't happen, especially not one with next to zero dimorphism (Much to my sadness). We know SE won't do anything close to that for a lot of reasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    I wouldn't know! I've avoided the video. Ribbit.
    Maybe! It's a weird decision not gonna lie, but I hope we get more info on it.

    Hmph, well I can give you that! I definitely misspoke. However eugenics is something very much so encompassing in a lot of societies, technically that blip of "Mixed races are possible but usually frowned upon due to societal conventions" is eugenics, which isn't even too foreign of a concept within our own species.

    You bring up that it's not "Gene X produced Y in the organism" (or at least it's more complex than that), and while I agree with you there, why would genes that cause such as muscular density or height in the male or females work like that (Ie "The gene X produces the height in the women.").

    Ah, I see what you mean now. It does mention that their tribes are "close-knit" as well which generally means "You're not marrying outside the tribe" which is technically eugenics as well, especially if their reasoning is "Our tribe is strong! We must remain pure and not allow those weaker tribes to pollute our children".

    1. Of course not, but chances are they would, even the more abstract cultures in FFXIV are based on real life creatures, lion prides with the Sun Seekers for example. It's kind of hard to construct a world in a vacuum, while it would be amazing, I kind of doubt that they made an entire culture bereft of real life influences.

    We know how genetics work however, that's why it can't be a cop out. "Aether/Magic/Allagan tech" follow rules that the dev team establishes (As they create this world), if it's stated in canon "Aether can not cause floating rocks" then we see floating rocks in game, "Aether" can't be the answer, this is not the case however.

    I dunno, I doubt that Ilberd or Lolorito want Rauhbahn dead, so chances are once he was subdued, the best healing money could buy went into keeping him alive. And looking at the cinematic cutscene in Heavenswards opening, which is likely the most accurate cutscene, not much blood was actually split, people have lost their entire arms before in much less clean ways and lived, so I don't see why Rauhbahn wouldn't.

    Of course, chisels and small hammers also work with stone pretty effectively too. It's not necessarily the most effective method, but if you kept trying to you'd eventually wear away the rock. Like I said, it might be more of just the case of disrupting something Aetheric field via continual damage causing the host object to dissipate if there is one, Kinda like how if you

    2. It's reasonable enough! I can only hope one day our questions will be answered by the lore devs and those answers make good sense.

    3. Well, apparently it all depends on chromosomes in terms of fertility, as long as the "races of man" have the same amount of chromosomes, then the hybrid will be fertile. It brings up the question on what would get passed on genetically, though? If genetic specific eye color is transmittable, only Allagan royality and their descendents have Allagan royality eyes after all, then what else would transfer? I mean, mixed races does have certain connotation that they're not just like the mom or something, even with pokemon they still get traits from dad in the form of egg moves!

    5. It's possible, looking at the 2014 census it makes a good bit! Aaand there's nothing much else to say on that though! We really don't know why they made the Auri men so tall outside of possible lore reasons, I just think that's bunk and doesn't make much sense.

    How wouldn't making a "Tough woman" Xaela model make some people happy and some people unhappy? Sure it's more work for the devs to do, but that's like saying "They shouldn't add a healer job next time because that's more work for the devs to do."

    They don't have to. If they wanted to own up to their mistakes they ought to. If they just didn't use the same model for both clans to begin with they wouldn't have to worry about that though.

    It'll help more than just leaving the "tough female" models at two choices that are relatively bland besides weird skin tones (For Roes) and 3/4 meanfase options, unlike Miqo'te or Au Ra which have a few things extra (Things such as the tails or horns/ears). You don't fix a problem by letting it stagnant!

    I won't fear them, just demand their extinction. Now.. If they looked like Aplhinaud but a little bit older.. The ladies can stay too.
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    Even with that, you can't deny that Hydaelyn and Earth share many similarities. It's not like SE thought of an entirely brand new system of passing genes along through parent to child, so I'm sure things like survival of the fittest, genes and how those work, and choosing a mate based on certain qualities exist in Hydaelyn as they do here.
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  5. #685
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    So what is a steep? In as brief of detail as possible. (That wikipedia article really explained nothing)

    As for Hydaelyn to Earth, it's similar enough that it's differences are minor and in many ways negligible. But Aether just slightly changes the rules to a unique way. (In the presence of Corrupted crystals the rules change slightly as well as when exposed to high Aether areas/substances so it's not the exact same as earth's natural energy)

    As for the protection thing, that could entirely be to attract males. The small fragile appearing body gives that anime "Pay attention to me Senpai!!" troup while not entirely making it to where they are incapable of combat. I imagine that writing that cute fragile appearance off as a threat may be the last mistake one would ever make.

    The Xaela appear to look cutesy but strike me as the type to look at their captors all teary eyed and then laugh sadisticly after they stick a knife in their captor's spleen when his back is turned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
    So what is a steep? In as brief of detail as possible. (That wikipedia article really explained nothing)
    Grassy plains that stretch over vast geographic distances.

    As for Hydaelyn to Earth, it's similar enough that it's differences are minor and in many ways negligible. But Aether just slightly changes the rules to a unique way. (In the presence of Corrupted crystals the rules change slightly as well as when exposed to high Aether areas/substances so it's not the exact same as earth's natural energy)

    As for the protection thing, that could entirely be to attract males. The small fragile appearing body gives that anime "Pay attention to me Senpai!!" troup while not entirely making it to where they are incapable of combat. I imagine that writing that cute fragile appearance off as a threat may be the last mistake one would ever make.

    The Xaela appear to look cutesy but strike me as the type to look at their captors all teary eyed and then laugh sadisticly after they stick a knife in their captor's spleen when his back is turned.

    I will point out again the Males are the wrong size for steppe people. Monoglians, Huns, Apache etc were generally smaller than more settled groups nearby(Though they may have had higher muscle mass). Female Xaela don't need explaining based on magic or unique enviromental conditions. Males do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jomoru View Post
    Grassy plains that stretch over vast geographic distances.
    So not quite as lush as a savanna but a little more lush than a prairie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
    So not quite as lush as a savanna but a little more lush than a prairie?
    short grass prairies are a type of steppe. Grassy region without trees away from rivers that's not tropical or arctic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
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    Generally prairies are Steppes but with more frequent trees, apparently. The western part of the Great Plains for example is called the "Prairie steppe" so essentially they're interchangeable.

    You're not wrong! Aether does change the rules in a very unique way, as does magic. Often however, magic emulates the effects of advance technology. Think of Magitek for example, it's stuff that emulates magic through the usage of crystallized aether. Replace aether with such things as like oil and now we through the use of technology can turn something liquid into fire or wind turbines would be turning wind aspect aether into lightening aspect aether.

    Unless if Auri women have a sudden hulk switch I doubt that sort of thing happens :P Plus, if all Xaela women used that technique, well I kinda would guess it wouldn't be so effective against their main enemies, other Xaela. Tricks like that only work on those who don't expect it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samcaesar View Post
    Plus, if all Xaela women used that technique, well I kinda would guess it wouldn't be so effective against their main enemies, other Xaela. Tricks like that only work on those who don't expect it!
    True that, but imagine what happened to the first guy to fall for that trick. He probably didn't need plans later. lol
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