Dismissed players rejoining the same party

[Aeyis]

He may be abusing the system, but I know of MANY times in which players will abuse vote kick. Fixing one side of the argument without addressing both problems will just make matters worse.

Indeed. I had a great time when someone decided to abuse the voting system against me, and I instantly rejoined that same group.

[LineageRazor]

Spent an hour in WoD only to be kicked by trolls right before last boss. IDK about you but I feel I earned my chance to get loot/tomes.

But instead you demand that SE makes it so the trolls win.

mmkay.

Is it too much just to not requeue for a bit, so they can't requeue with you? If they were that bad, the party would likely be much better even minus 1 member, yes?

But instead you demand that SE makes leaves it the same so the trolls win.

mmkay.

This very thread is clearly documenting the trolls winning, under the current system.

It's frankly nonsensical for players to be able to rejoin a party they've been dismissed from. What's the point of even having a dismiss option, if the person you dismiss isn't actually dismissed unless they, themselves, choose to stay out?

In your example, you beat the trolls by rejoining the instance, which feels mighty good. Huzzah! Presumably, you had to continue beating them at least three more times, presuming that the trolls were unified and the same people who voted to dismiss you took turns initiating the vote until they ran out. While awesome, in this case, do you honestly believe that the current system was deliberately built with that kind of solution in mind? If you do believe that, you're out of your mind. It was clearly an oversight - a loophole which you've managed to take advantage of to defeat trolls, but ALSO one that trolls have taken advantage of to better harass players.

Whether used for good or for ill, the purpose of vote dismissal is to remove someone from the group. If it is not doing that, then it is failing in its function and needs to be repaired. OR, if it is truly the case that it's more often going to be used by trolls than for legitimate reasons, it needs to be removed altogether. This half-assed vote dismissal simply isn't cutting it.

[Duuude007]

This very thread is clearly documenting the trolls winning, under the current system.

I see, so which set of trolls should SE favor? Because the trolls you are complaining about, you, as the party member have the power to block in their tracks of instant rejoining. Hey now, you (the legitimate purpose kicker) can still win in the modus operandi.

Under your so-called ideal scenario, any and every troll related kick would result in the troll winning. No exceptions. Not only are they protected from reports by vote kick being anonymous to the recipient of the kick, but, like cattle, people tend to vote yes if they see a yes/no prompt.

TLDR: The system may be flawed, even broken, but please dont spray lighter fluid on the fire. we need a better solution.

EDIT: Been brainstorming with some friends on this very matter, and an idea did surface that I think is worth consideration.

Rather than a blanket block like OP is suggesting, if the blacklist system were expanded to encompass the entire data center, and df players simply are incapable of queueing with a player on anothers' blacklist.

Yes, its an extra step the person may need to take, but it would have very reliable results to fit their needs, on a case by case basis, instead of having SE implement a change that permanently legitimizes troll kicking without any fear of repercussion. Which would be a consequence of implementing OP's suggestion.

[Nadirah]

Dude, that's how it works in wow.

Ignored players cannot be put in dungeon finder groups with you.

Problem is, ignore list is limited... And rmt fills mine.

[Canadane]

The solution already exists.
Ensure the party leader doesn't try to replenish the ranks right away. Give time for the troll to move on with his life while you slowly make headway in your dungeon without a fourth member for a while.

[Duuude007]

The solution already exists.
Ensure the party leader doesn't try to replenish the ranks right away. Give time for the troll to move on with his life while you slowly make headway in your dungeon without a fourth member for a while.

I've made this point on several occasions. Alas, just like people habitually click yes to any popup (ready check, vote kick) there are many who, like cattle, will mindlessly click yes to the replenish ranks button.

Then blame the person getting back in on SE.

Really, this whole drama is getting farcical.

[starLivitation]

Suggestion:

Don't allow players that were recently dismissed/kicked from a party in a duty to be able to rejoin that same party. They voted to be dismissed for a reason, so why are they allowed to rejoin that very same party?



Without going into details I was recently verbally harassed in a low level haukke manor dungeon while leveling. Despite the person being dismissed by a majority vote, they continued to harass me by purposely requeueing for specifically haukke manor in progress as a healer to jump right back in. Unfortunately there's a 4 hour time limit on being able to vote. So another party dismissed them again. Only that same person joined only seconds later again. Eventually I had to drop group because this person would not leave and would continue to come back. I even got the leaving penalty. But I think it's a broken system that someone who was kicked from a party can rejoin that very same party.

well i don't support ur idea, in some cases u get kicked for no reason. for instance, after almost fininishing the lake, someone pulled someothing other than the mobs i was tanking, so i thot to tech him a leason, i made the jungle it. . they didn't complain or say nething, instead juist just kicked me. so i returned to the party and said, guys this is not the way to do it, if ur not happy about something we can talk about it etc, and then we just continued the dungen normally. so sometimes the kick system is being mis-used, and its good to give others a chance here.

[Gilthas]

I reported the abuse to GMs, not sure if anything ever came of it.

Honestly, while the tank was acting like a brat, your attitude wasn't much better.

[Ashkendor]

This happened to me last year, around August. The tank, right at the beginning of the dungeon (Aurum Vale,) refused to start the duty because I was on Lancer instead of Dragoon. I told him that, quite simply, it was my personal choice to do this and it would not hinder our ability to complete the duty. He still refused, and after about 5 minutes of sitting and doing nothing, we kicked him.

He immediately came back. Unfortunately, the party just wanted to get started, so when he initiated a vote to kick me, out I went.

I reported the abuse to GMs, not sure if anything ever came of it.

It was your personal choice to play without your job stone, and it was the tank's personal choice to want the players in their party to be using job stones. Difference in playstyles can be a perfectly valid reason to kick.

They could've handled it better, but I really wouldn't call that abuse.

[Aeyis]

It was your personal choice to play without your job stone, and it was the tank's personal choice to want the players in their party to be using job stones. Difference in playstyles can be a perfectly valid reason to kick.

They could've handled it better, but I really wouldn't call that abuse.

I don't know what to say.