No new SMNs for SMN?

[Bigcat9715]

Them Pet-hotbars though.

Adding abilities onto pets still exasperates the issue at hand though (but not to the same degree as adding new egis completely). You'd still only use X in Y scenario because it's objectively better, whether its uptime or survivability. Egi-glamours would be the best compromise but hardly the most important thing to focus on atm when it comes to summoner.

Then what should people be focusing on when it comes to summoner? There's a new problem I see that will affect everyone the fact that no one is getting new traits, so Summoner is still stuck at 3 aetherflow stacks and nearly all of the new abilities cost aetherflow. I believe that come level 60 and gaining the dreadwyrm trace ability fester and bane will no longer be use or not as much.

[RiceisNice]

Then what should people be focusing on when it comes to summoner? There's a new problem I see that will affect everyone the fact that no one is getting new traits, so Summoner is still stuck at 3 aetherflow stacks and nearly all of the new abilities cost aetherflow. I believe that come level 60 and gaining the dreadwyrm trace ability fester and bane will no longer be use or not as much.

You gain dreadwyrm trance as you use up aetherflow according to sources. The way I forecast it, you'd still use bane to spread AoE dots, gain dreadwyrm from that, and use that up for ahk morn/dreadflare AoE. You're also getting tri-disaster which applies all 3 DoTs immediately, gives an option for burst damage or on pull, then reapply dots as needed (since they're all on different timers). Something like fester isn't going to suddenly drop out of ideal rotations. It's terrible design to completely forget about pre-expansion abilities regardless of class (like bard AoE, sob sob)

It's a fundamental problem when you try to make pets/summons have entirely different functionalities depending on their type. That's why you don't see summoners using ifrit if you don't have a ninja/warrior, or titan ever in party play.

[Bigcat9715]

snip.

So the way Dreadwyrm trance is going to work is by being a self buff with a duration im guessing. You have to use up aetherflow stacks with in that time limit to get to unlock the Dreadflare ability. What about the cooldown time for Dreadwyrm trance (if it is a buff) whats stopping SE from making it a 5 min CD like enkindle? With a near 3k (without crit) damage would it not have a ridiculous cooldown as well?

Also I've always wanted to ask this, but wouldn't have been better to give ACN/SCH/SMN all one pet and depending on which pet stance you wanted your pet would switch to that stance (like the chocobos).

[UltimateAoe2]

So the way Dreadwyrm trance is going to work is by being a self buff with a duration im guessing. You have to use up aetherflow stacks with in that time limit to get to unlock the Dreadflare ability. What about the cooldown time for Dreadwyrm trance (if it is a buff) whats stopping SE from making it a 5 min CD like enkindle? With a near 3k (without crit) damage would it not have a ridiculous cooldown as well?

Also I've always wanted to ask this, but wouldn't have been better to give ACN/SCH/SMN all one pet and depending on which pet stance you wanted your pet would switch to that stance (like the chocobos).

If I recall, you get a stack of Dreadwyrm Trance everytime you use a Aetherflow-ability (Fester, Bane, etc.). Not sure.
I doubt they'd make it a huge CD, otherwise there would be no point of that ability after all. @_@;

[Bigcat9715]

If I recall, you get a stack of Dreadwyrm Trance everytime you use a Aetherflow-ability (Fester, Bane, etc.). Not sure.
I doubt they'd make it a huge CD, otherwise there would be no point of that ability after all. @_@;

So its a continuous buff like kiss of the wasp/viper, paladin Oaths, or defiance?

[RiceisNice]

So the way Dreadwyrm trance is going to work is by being a self buff with a duration im guessing. You have to use up aetherflow stacks with in that time limit to get to unlock the Dreadflare ability. What about the cooldown time for Dreadwyrm trance (if it is a buff) whats stopping SE from making it a 5 min CD like enkindle? With a near 3k (without crit) damage would it not have a ridiculous cooldown as well?

It'd be like a reverse-aetherflow I'd assume. The abilities require 3 stacks, so that's the "cooldown" on how frequently it can be used. Of course you're forecasting the worse possible scenario for 3.0 summoner. We might as well have ninja getting positional requirement on all of their combos and Wanderer's Minuet being useless.