Is it time for SE to give PLDs a good bump in terms of DPS?

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

Now as the title states, is it time for SE to give some love to PLDs in the damage-dealing department?

Nope. There's got to be some sort of give and take. Paladins have stronger defensive cooldowns and less offensive while Warriors have the reverse and I think it should stay like that.

[SirTaint]

Here is a nice parse between one of the best WARs and best PLD players. Its pretty damn even. 486dps vs 475dps on Turn 10 with no echo.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CF3X0jmVIAADCOY.png:large

[Gildarts]

If anything PLD has the edge esp with a low delay weapon. Assuming there is a WAR or NIN putting the slashing debuff up.

nah i don't think so, they are really close on DPS but war will win still, seeing most parsers since second coil and now final coil war always a head of PLD.

new changes will take pld higher for sure, but also war got better with DPS stance, just hoping its not gcd based like pld now it have the DPS stance T o T

Here is a nice parse between one of the best WARs and best PLD players. Its pretty damn even. 486dps vs 475dps on Turn 10 with no echo.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CF3X0jmVIAADCOY.png:large

saw that and there is this too


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX6pERH5rPE

[SpookyGhost]

The main draw of SwO PLD's DPS is that it's boosted by MTing (b/c Shield Swipe procs) and doesn't really cost them any defense outside of the ShO damage reduction. This is insanely useful in overgeared content, as you can have the WAR pull with Unchained, PLD OT with FoF Sword Oath, and then swap after the duration of both without needing the PLD to change stances. For undergeared content where you need to use the defensive stance, WAR MT + PLD OT is highest DPS, and unfortunately PLD loses out on Shield Swipe procs because of this and WAR's damage is nerfed to hell and back but... what can you do.

Anyway, because they're so even they compliment eachother in this way. I think 3.0 will be interesting because WAR is now getting an offensive stance, whereas PLD is just getting other combos. I'm curious how that'll play out.

[SirTaint]

nah i don't think so, they are really close on DPS but war will win still, seeing most parsers since second coil and now final coil war always a head of PLD.

new changes will take pld higher for sure, but also war got better with DPS stance, just hoping its not gcd based like pld now it have the DPS stance T o T




saw that and there is this too


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX6pERH5rPE

It is extremely rare for me to get outparsed in T10-12 by even the best WARs. It requires MTing to consistently beat them due to Shield swipe being a DPS increase and a TP saver. If the Lucerzia PLD MTed more of the fight he would have pulled ahead for sure.

[Gildarts]

It is extremely rare for me to get outparsed in T10-12 by even the best WARs. It requires MTing to consistently beat them due to Shield swipe being a DPS increase and a TP saver. If the Lucerzia PLD MTed more of the fight he would have pulled ahead for sure.

you can check the parsers of wars and plds on many forums, you will see that war have better numbers and reached numbers paladin haven't ;o

[SirTaint]

you can check the parsers of wars and plds on many forums, you will see that war have better numbers and reached numbers paladin haven't ;o

And most PLDs have no idea how to parse

WARs have been allowed to run full STR spec since SCoB. Most PLDs are still reluctant to do so even with 15% echo. WARs in general have been pushing DPS far longer then PLDs. PLD DPSing also has an added element of RNG. (blocks)

[SpookyGhost]

PLD starts losing when AOE situations occur. PLD can't inflate DPS that way, whereas WAR can. Shield Swipe is also proc based and requires the boss to be hitting you with physical attacks (aka rip PLD in Ramuh). A lot of things need to align for PLD to actually out parse WAR, but they are otherwise fairly even - especially with PLD as MT in SwO. Anyway, it doesn't really matter for the moment since you want both PLD and WAR for most content (Ramuh and potentially T11 being the exceptions). In 3.0 it will be interesting, but purely speculating I think WAR + DRK will be the strong DPS comp for progression (due to WAR's new offensive stance/Storm's Eye + what seems like a vulnerability down debuff from DRK), and then PLD + WAR or PLD + DRK will rise when content is overgeared. Hopefully those sort of set ups will just be absolute min/maxing for DPS and everything ends up fairly even.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Hard to tell and/or guess how thinks will shake out in Heavensward. Yoshi-P's team is likely trying to make it so that PLD/PLD, PLD/WAR, PLD/DRK, WAR/WAR, and WAR/DRK pairings are equally viable. Paladins should be getting a serious DpS buff from Gore Blade and Royal Authority so I'm expecting all 3 Tank's DpS numbers to be in roughly the same area even with the Warrior's new DpS stance.

Also, I'm thinking the DRK's Delirium Blade "weakness" debuff isn't a vulnerability up, but a damage down debuff like Rage of Halone/Storm's Path.

[Sunako]

Warrior have lot more aoe potential than pld like steel cyclone, overpower and vengeance is pretty good too if you tank multiple adds at same time. That is the reason warr parse more most of time. For singletarget PLD with slashing debuff and sword oath > warrior without defiance > paladin without slashing debuff and sword oath > Warrior with defiance > PLD with shield oath.