o.O Overkill on the crafting Dumb down?

[Griss]

Cool, I spent 115,000 marks on 23 crafting treatises and they're removing them.

They'd better do something about that soon because that's retarded.

Re-read the post.

As with secondary class skills, crafting facilities and treatises are virtually essential for current recipes. New recipes, however, will require neither at this point in time.

What this is saying is the following. The new recipes will not "require" the use of skill books and synth support. Not that the books or support are being yanked out of the game.

For those that are still failing to see any difference let me lay it out. You know when you go to make something and the recipe says, "Required Guild support and sheeting training"? The new ones are not going to say that, support and the books will still effect them in a way that there still pondering over or are not quite ready to discuss yet. Thats all, End of line.


The landageddon faction, has it occurred to you that while crafters will stop using there resources to craft parts. That finished items will have to be created in bulk to make up the difference in xp gain? Yea that example they listed was much lower in terms of material usage. how ever when the crafter has to make that four or five times for the same gain to xp, i would think the demand on your end is going to be right about the same. Not to mention you guys are getting a new shiny to go after as well. catalysts aint going to dig/chop/fish them self's up.


Now as to my own response, When i read this post the first thing that poped into my head was. So wait i will not have to spend 20 minutes preparing the mats to make one piece of equipment? and the chances of that effort going to hell in a hand basket is reduced due to the removal of arbitrary and sometimes ludicrous limitations and road blocks the system has in place? Sign me up twice!

[Arcell]

This thread in one sentence:

"Help, the sky is falling!"

Everyone had the same crazy doomsday fears when the repair system was announced. Did that break the game? No.

That's basically what I was trying to get at before but you said it in a much shorter and less offensive manner

Same to you Griss, I was trying to get those facts through earlier but I guess I just didn't word it properly lol. Not required =/= removed. I do wish I could like your post more than once though...

[TheVedis]

so im almost 50 in every craft, so this affects my greatly, but my opinion may be a bit odd on this matter

1) Some items take well over a half hour to make the materials for and then make the finished item, This is just downright rediculous and it is one of the main focuses of the change from what I can tell.
Especialy on lower level items.

There can be a balance given to it too, wher as some lower items may take 1 leatger, 1 cloth etc....up to 4-5 items tops, those rank 50 items can still take 8 items(multiple leather/cloth etc etc) to make the finished product.

2) HQing the items wont change much, hq mats in general even at the first tier are a pain to make. those who didnt care about making them before still wont care now. those who cared enough to go out of the way before will have a bit easier time doing them now as they wont have to make a mterial, from a material, from a material, from a material.

3) even though im almost 50 in all crafts i can see the impact this will have on leveling. and that is my only major complaint about the new system. I feel for people who will have to figure out new recipes for leather, armor, blacksmithing, since those are gonna be hit real hard by the parts change as thats what you almost solely leveled on.

4) the removal of training/support i am gonna hold judgement on til they decide what they will do with them. we know they wont be forgotten or thrown out completely, but we wont know til they tell us or show us whats planned.

[Kiote]

So because you can't level as fast really is your only complaint? It's not the fact it can help bring more people into crafting but you won't be able to blow up to 50 in the rest of your craft classes to feel you accomplished something?

Edit: Oh and it only doesn't fix things from your POV. To others who only craft here and there or don't like to craft, the changes are huge for them. You know, the rest of the population and in most cases, the lack there of.

Ok first of all I never complain that I couldnt level fast enough. I am one of the few people who think crafting levels at a good pace as it is. But most of the people who dont like crafting dont like it because its slow and boring. Removing al the easy grind Recipes by removing parts is going to make it harder and it will push more people away from crafting. That being said what I am trying to point out and I'll bold it for you this time People don't like the crafting system because its repetitive and boring. none of these changes are going to fix that. Yay no more parts! Oh wait you STILL have to collect materials to make things. Removing part with only serve to reduce the number of recipes people can use to SP. If they want to "Fix" crafting they HAVE to build a new UI. There is no way around it.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

[Nero]

dude did u even read what u wrote? this is what YOU wrote:
"LOL.. put up for sale? and who will buy it, if everyone can make them now?"

that means YOU think everyone can make things. i was talking about the idea that FROM WHAT YOU SAID that everyone can make things so nothin will sell.

did you just troll yourself into a new world where you dont even know what you wrote?

Dude.. if you dont understand a simple sentence, while others did and responded to it, you should consider stop taking Drugs.. or whatever kind of hallucinogenic Stuff you are taking.

[odintius]

Think there's alot of overhyping this change I don't think it's going to be as bad as some claim imo.

[DeadRiser]

Glad it's being changed. Finding all the parts for one synthesis cost as much as that final product being sold sometimes. Some things are just TOO expensive to buy right now for low-mid rank gear.

[Kiote]

Think there's alot of overhyping this change I don't think it's going to be as bad as some claim imo.

It's not going to look bad when they do it. They are going to keep the old stuff and add the new stuff then phase out the old stuff. So your not going to see it coming when all your simple grinding recipes disappear. As far as the treatises are concern it will likely go, "We planning something." "We planning something." "We planning something." "Uh.. we just decided not to do anything with that so sorry but your Guild Marks are just going to be gone."

[Quills]

To all the people who do not like the recipe change, ask yourself this: will you decide to use the new recipes, or use the old ones while they're still in the game? (not just because you still have the materials for them)

Sure, it may have been fun to some extent, but there were way too many parts that lead to equipment not being made.

[Chezen]

All I personally felt they needed to do was reduce the number of different crafting materials by maybe half or so (how many different types of copper do we need?), and fix the crafting levels needed to make the items.

I do think this is overkill, but at least it's staying more true to the original setup, and we're not making armor out of different grades of mysterious goo.