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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylkis View Post
    movement speed, damage reduction(BiS for DRG), offgcd cooldown reduction etc. You can create a specialized gear spec to "pick up" forced targeted damage mechanics. Of course it doesn't have to be stats to do this, but I think this offers a good tradeoff by making the DPS and healers' jobs easier.
    The problem with these is they'll either be a DPS increase (oGCD CD reduction), which will just make them stacking the better DPS stat for your class (like we have now with det/crit/skill&spellspeed depending on class), or it will be a DPS reduction (like movement speed and picking up damage), in which case one of two things will happen: Fights will be balanced around a certain amount of movement speed/whatever else and it will be mandatory that DPS stack that stat to beat the fights, OR they won't be balanced around it and the fights will be doable without them, in which case lowering DPS to get those stats would be considered suboptimal/non-viable (depending).

    Also, DPS already trade str for vit when doing bleeding edge progression (and back in the day when titan was new and you needed so much vit to survive stomps) so they can survive the mechanics, just like tanks trade vit for str once they and the healers have out geared fights enough to have the HP necessary to survive with more strength.

    Or, in other words, what you're asking for (DPS being able to trade out stats like Tanks do) already exists.

    Plus there's fringe cases on DPS classes where you can put points into something other than your damage stat to do higher dps. Like stacking a little bit of Pie on BLM in order to get off one extra fire under astral fire, for instance, so you have slightly weaker burst (lower damage per spell) but higher sustained damage (more fire good).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krylo View Post
    The problem with these is they'll either be a DPS increase or it will be a DPS reduction
    They won't be mandatory and will be suboptimal if you only consider yourself. But in a party if you can do a mechanic intended to be shared but you can count as 2 people, then it could be an overall increase in raid DPS. Some may also take movement speed to compensate for lag. The oGCD won't be a clear increase or decrease either e.g. NIN might be able to trick attack more often but his damage is now lower because of those stats he traded away, and it will depend on your party if that's worth doing so. BRD might have a spell speed + 500 available to them so their songs come out super fast but their damage got lowered because they lost 50 crit/det - it will be worth it if you sing X songs in a fight but a DPS decrease if you don't sing much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylkis View Post
    They won't be mandatory and will be suboptimal if you only consider yourself. But in a party if you can do a mechanic intended to be shared but you can count as 2 people, then it could be an overall increase in raid DPS. Some may also take movement speed to compensate for lag.
    Again, it will either be an increase in raid dps or a decrease. In the former it won't be optional--it will become mandatory because people will call you bad if you don't have it. In the latter it will be suboptimal and people will call you bad for doing it. That's how MMOs work. Trying to add choice and customization when your character build directly affects between 3 and 23 other people just doesn't work. Those other people have just as much right, if not more, to expect you to be at your best as you do to want a gimmicky movement speed build or whatever.

    The only places such things would see real use are in gimmick groups (everyone stack movement speed and run around!)

    The oGCD won't be a clear increase or decrease either e.g. NIN might be able to trick attack more often but his damage is now lower because of those stats he traded away, and it will depend on your party if that's worth doing so. BRD might have a spell speed + 500 available to them so their songs come out super fast but their damage got lowered because they lost 50 crit/det - it will be worth it if you sing X songs in a fight but a DPS decrease if you don't sing much.
    Except people will math out for which classes/compositions of raid group this is a DPS increase or decrease and where it falls off. Just like they've done with BLMs and piety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krylo View Post
    In the former it won't be optional--it will become mandatory because people will call you bad if you don't have it. In the latter it will be suboptimal and people will call you bad for doing it.
    There is choice available. Party composition is one. No one is saying you are bad if you don't have x y z job in your party, many setups are respected even if some job is better at some fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krylo View Post
    Except people will math out for which classes/compositions of raid group this is a DPS increase or decrease and where it falls off. Just like they've done with BLMs and piety.
    You might not have a choice with party composition. Blm and pie is easy, but with a whole party someone will figure out when it is better given a set of conditions that your party may or may not be able to achieve, or want to achieve. For example, the difference in strats used by JP and NA groups. It is viable to use either but some find one easier than the other, or just like how it is done one way.
    Or, it becomes a matter of choice like how they say thunder 1 and 2 are about the same.




    I also want to add that sometimes it comes down to not "why aren't you doing it the better way?" but "why aren't you doing it my way?"
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