Feedback: Levelling EXP for secondary Jobs

[Sylve]

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Secondary jobs get a flat 50% bonus XP from all sources (leves, sidequests and dungeon kills etc)

Low Level Roulette in addition to the Leves and a few FATEs here and there will get you to cap faster than you think.
Throw in Rested EXP and Food bonuses, it only takes 2 - 3 dungeons of your current level to gain a whole level.

[Aussiedai84]

Secondary jobs get a flat 50% bonus XP from all sources (leves, sidequests and dungeon kills etc)

Low Level Roulette in addition to the Leves and a few FATEs here and there will get you to cap faster than you think.
Throw in Rested EXP and Food bonuses, it only takes 2 - 3 dungeons of your current level to gain a whole level.

Yeah I understand, but, doing a DPS class you have to wait sometimes 45 mins + to get a dungeon pop. Leveling shouldn't be reliant on something like that for the bulk of EXP. If you only have a few hours to play a day it just isn't viable.

[Noxifer]

Yeah I understand, but, doing a DPS class you have to wait sometimes 45 mins + to get a dungeon pop. Leveling shouldn't be reliant on something like that for the bulk of EXP. If you only have a few hours to play a day it just isn't viable.

And during those 45+ minutes, you can do Fates, any side quests you might have left over from previous classes, class/job quests, hunt log, daily hunts (provided you have a level 50 already)... Or you can just ask friends or FC mates if they'd like to go on a dungeon run or two and tank or heal for you. =) Nothing that says you have to sit idly and just wait.
Not sure how leves work with dungeon queues, though. Never tried it.
The only thing you can't do is bring out your chocobo =/ so no assistance from or exp for your fine-feathered friend.

[UBERHAXED]

And during those 45+ minutes, you can do Fates, any side quests you might have left over from previous classes, class/job quests, hunt log, daily hunts (provided you have a level 50 already)... Or you can just ask friends or FC mates if they'd like to go on a dungeon run or two and tank or heal for you. =) Nothing that says you have to sit idly and just wait.
Not sure how leves work with dungeon queues, though. Never tried it.
The only thing you can't do is bring out your chocobo =/ so no assistance from or exp for your fine-feathered friend.

You certainly can queue and do levequests. The only thing you can't do is change your party composition (e.g. bring out your chocobo) but this isn't a problem if you do the faster leves (i.e. the GC leves) since they are solo only anyway.

Neither do levequests.

Actually almost nothing teaches you how to play your job other than dungeons and a few specific class quests for gladiators and conjurers.

Believe it or not I'm also one of those people with every job at 50. Mostly through daily low level roulettes and hunting/challenge log completion. A few levequests at the end to bridge gaps. I know how to level a job to 50. I'm saying the experience of doing that could be better.

I actually don't understand why this is so controversial. I'd like the experience of leveling secondary jobs to be better than it is, and I'm encountering all this resistance to that very simple notion. Perhaps you can explain to me why wanting the game to be more fun no matter how many times you play through it is a bad thing?

Pray tell wise adventurer, please give me an example of a leve quest that teaches you nothing. How do you plan to learn to play your class rather than to do battles with some specific mechanic? I'm not sure what you're looking for if you think nothing but dungeons and a few class quests teach you how to play your job.

[Aussiedai84]

And during those 45+ minutes, you can do Fates, any side quests you might have left over from previous classes, class/job quests, hunt log, daily hunts (provided you have a level 50 already)... Or you can just ask friends or FC mates if they'd like to go on a dungeon run or two and tank or heal for you. =) Nothing that says you have to sit idly and just wait.
Not sure how leves work with dungeon queues, though. Never tried it.
The only thing you can't do is bring out your chocobo =/ so no assistance from or exp for your fine-feathered friend.

Hunt logs take a whole 5 - 10 mins and dont give that much exp. No side quests left. Times I am on aren't when there are heaps of FC people on unfortunately which is fine but once again brings you back to grinding fates. This also bring me back to what was originally said. There needs to be something else to fill that gap of Main quests that doesn't rely so heavily on fates and dungeons.Either increase the EXP so you aren't sitting around doing nothing and grinding fates till you brain hurts or or introduce dailies ( like beast tribes) for lower levels. I know some of you are saying Leve are dailies but then remove the allowance limit (so you can do 6 - 10 per class, job etc) rather than 6 per day across an entire account. Some of you are fine with the grind of fates etc and each to their own but there are those who would like to level an alt in under 4 + weeks without being stuck behind these said issues. Some of you have plenty of time to do these things, but, I can tell you right now if you limit your game time to 2 hours a day for 2 months you will soon get sick of the limited things you can do in a day/ you will then start to weigh up if it is worth paying the subscription because you cant experience a lot of the things the game has to offer. From a business perspective - Why keep such a large portion of the game from paying customers who don't have 5+ hours a day to spend on it. I am not asking for instant 50's or free gear just an easier (less complicated and more balanced - for DPS), more streamlined way to level alts for casual players. These sort of things can put people off the game all because the elitist think it is fine how it is. God forbid they make something a little bit more accessible to a wider audience who are also paying the same amount as you just have less time on their hands. I got 2 levels in about an hour and a half last night so going on that rate it would take me aprox 19 days to level one additional class. That means I can do nothing but level an additional class when I play. SO say I play half my time on a main half on a second class. That means about 38 days for ONE alt so if you wanted to get all classes up that's an additional 9 (battle classes not including DoL or DoH) from the one main you have. Thats 342 days to level all classes at a casual rate and that's not even playing those new classes at max level once you level them. That is crazy! I dont understand why people think that is ok when an expansion only last 2 years.

[GenJoe]

(less complicated and more balanced - for DPS)

Unfortunately, as players shape the party composition, DPS will always get the shaft for these kinds of things. There's no real fix for it other than to provide multi-role for all classes, even then.. most people will STILL queue as dps anyway so it doesn't really help the cause.

I got 2 levels in about an hour and a half last night so going on that rate it would take me aprox 19 days to level one additional class. That means I can do nothing but level an additional class when I play. SO say I play half my time on a main half on a second class. That means about 38 days for ONE alt so if you wanted to get all classes up that's an additional 9 (battle classes not including DoL or DoH) from the one main you have. Thats 342 days to level all classes at a casual rate and that's not even playing those new classes at max level once you level them. That is crazy! I dont understand why people think that is ok when an expansion only last 2 years.

Why are you so hell bent on leveling all your classes to 50? Look around you, most people don't have that goal. If you have a personal goal to reach that, well then you should be prepared for the long journey.
Look at WoW, what you're trying to accomplish is basically having level 100 Warrior, Rogue, Hunter, Mage, Shaman, Paladin, Druid, Death Knight. That kind endeavor WILL take you over a year if you only have 2 hours to play each day.. Why do you expect FF14 to be any quicker?

So you log on, and you're worried you have to choose between leveling an alt job, or playing your main doing other things.. I understand that you can only do one or the other, well then choose one you enjoy the most, don't make playing the game a chore for yourself..

[Allyrion]

Hunt logs take a whole 5 - 10 mins and dont give that much exp. No side quests left. Times I am on aren't when there are heaps of FC people on unfortunately which is fine but once again brings you back to grinding fates. This also bring me back to what was originally said. There needs to be something else to fill that gap of Main quests that doesn't rely so heavily on fates and dungeons.Either increase the EXP so you aren't sitting around doing nothing and grinding fates till you brain hurts or or introduce dailies ( like beast tribes) for lower levels. I know some of you are saying Leve are dailies but then remove the allowance limit (so you can do 6 - 10 per class, job etc) rather than 6 per day across an entire account. Some of you are fine with the grind of fates etc and each to their own but there are those who would like to level an alt in under 4 + weeks without being stuck behind these said issues. Some of you have plenty of time to do these things, but, I can tell you right now if you limit your game time to 2 hours a day for 2 months you will soon get sick of the limited things you can do in a day/ you will then start to weigh up if it is worth paying the subscription because you cant experience a lot of the things the game has to offer. From a business perspective - Why keep such a large portion of the game from paying customers who don't have 5+ hours a day to spend on it. I am not asking for instant 50's or free gear just an easier (less complicated and more balanced - for DPS), more streamlined way to level alts for casual players. These sort of things can put people off the game all because the elitist think it is fine how it is. God forbid they make something a little bit more accessible to a wider audience who are also paying the same amount as you just have less time on their hands. I got 2 levels in about an hour and a half last night so going on that rate it would take me aprox 19 days to level one additional class. That means I can do nothing but level an additional class when I play. SO say I play half my time on a main half on a second class. That means about 38 days for ONE alt so if you wanted to get all classes up that's an additional 9 (battle classes not including DoL or DoH) from the one main you have. Thats 342 days to level all classes at a casual rate and that's not even playing those new classes at max level once you level them. That is crazy! I dont understand why people think that is ok when an expansion only last 2 years.

That's because getting everything to 50 is a hardcore goal.
It's one of those things people do because they have a lot of time or they're dedicated to completing and trying everything out.
You're obviously not the former but you seem to want to game to change to suit that.

I think it's fair. You got 2 levels in an hour and a half, that's reasonable progression.
And it could be more too, so I don't think leveling in this game is based on a hardcore crowd. Most other MMOs don't even give you a level in an hour an a half.
This even gives you something decent to accomplish for a long term plan, why is that bad?

As GenJoe said, if you're being burnt out then maybe you should take a break from leveling alts and focus on your main (if you find leveling such a chore).
I like having a lot of 50's but I don't understand why you act like it's something you need to get done so quickly.


With all that said, you should at least be happy to know there was an interview with Yoshida.
It sounds like we'll get double exp gains after the expac comes out for lower levels.
That might not fit your need for streamlined questing (I actually find the lack of it refreshing, with so many other options) but it will make it faster.

[Aussiedai84]

In the interview with Yoshida he states the Double EXP points are for main scenario. This still doesn't help with leveling a second Job.