o.O Overkill on the crafting Dumb down?

[Arcell]

The part where they are removing the use of Facilities and removing Guild mark rewards. Is there something else that happens at guild I dont know about?

Where did they say they were removing guild mark rewards? They said they are making new recipes not require facility and treatise bonuses but are considering alternate ways to make them more useful in the future.

Not required =/= removed.

[derenkirby]

Well you could respond like that or come up with something a little more thought out lol. I know how to make gil in the game. I had just over a mil before I took a needed break...that wasn't the point. And I did it by doing both crafting and battling.

1 mil seems a lil low, n I'm not saying it to just be an arse, i got like 10 mil or so n have never relli sold anything in the wards, im just saying that perhaps a lil better planning would help, but yes your right, i should have put a little more thought into that

[trinta]

The whole game is a timesink. Take away the timesinks you take away the game. That applies to every game. Just because you spend time playing a game doesn't mean it's bad. Improving your character should always require time, otherwise what's the point of adding new content? Too many kids gotten used to opening their new game, inputting the god mode cheat and playing through it over the years.

You're the one who was trying to imply that this change is bad because it's turning it into a timesink. Go ahead, read what you wrote. Here it is again, for your convenience:

It seems the difference between a good crafter and a bad crafter will soon be who has the most time

For the rest of the context, you can click back from my original quote here. I just truncated the rest, I didn't change the meaning.

It's about who has the most time now, it'll be about who has the most time after these changes are implemented. That's all I'm saying.

[Geesus]

All that i can see happening is a huge chuck on items being removed from the game so people grind on a different item and they are ones that still get vender'd as everyone and their mom makes them now.

So why would they remove items from the game if you can sell them to NPCs for gil? Even if it's not a lot of gil it's better then nothing. You never sold a few items to a NPC just so you can buy that 1 piece you REALLY wanted? lol I know people who LIVED off of selling crap they never used to NPCs and made a killing after runs.

[Nero]

Some people simply don't want to invest the time or money to raise a craft to make their own stuff.

Exactly. And that is why the majority dont like the changes. I get all the Gil i make out of Crafting. If everyone can make their Shit without having any Subclasses, without a lot of effort ( which ive been putting in for Month ), then the Economy will drop. Its not about beeing easier. Im all up for Recipe changes, since some of the are really retarded, but SE is seriously getting rid of almost everything which belongs to crafting. That is like making a Street straight, without any curves or traffics or w/e. Everyone can reach their goal without any Problems. And a Craftingsystem shouldnt be THAT easy. Adjustments are fine.. but totally screwing it up, is not fine.

[Geesus]

when i say the system, i mean the current one...the one we have right now. maybe i wasn't very clear or you misread my posts?

im 100% for these changes.

I just may have LOL.

[Cursive]

That is exactly what I have tried to point out repeatedly. They aren't trying to fix crafting or make it fun. They are just trying to make it so easy no one has to try.

how does streamlining it and making it efficient make it easy? do you have any idea how to hq items? being able to make a piece of gear and grinding to 50 is easy regardless of how stupidly complicated a recipe is. making that same item well (hq) is quite different.

[Wynn]

Where did they say they were removing guild mark rewards? They said they are making new recipes not require facility and treatise bonuses but are considering alternate ways to make them more useful in the future.

Not required =/= removed.

Not required might as well be removed since they will be rendered useless. Lets hope they actually do give them another purpose, otherwise I want all my marks back.

[Kiote]

Not required might as well be removed since they will be rendered useless. Lets hope they actually do give them another purpose, otherwise I want all my marks back.

They'll get another purpose, just like Fatigue Bonus XP..

[Arcell]

Not required might as well be removed since they will be rendered useless. Lets hope they actually do give them another purpose, otherwise I want all my marks back.

But it is not removed. I imagine it will still give you a success bonus as it usually does but it's not REQUIRED to actually finish the item. They blatantly stated they're already considering alternatives.