RIP Astrologian

[Sylve]

Because Astro may not be able to provide big heals or heavy shielding with their barrier, it's like the RDM of the healers basically... It can do both but it's not great at either. .-.

Keep in mind that RDM never ever replaced BLM or WHM nor sword users just because they were able to do all three. Rather they were a side asset to them, much like astro would probably be with their cards.

If the AST had lower potency heals than SCHs and WHMs, they'd struggle in Light Parties where they were the sole healer.
SCH works out fine because Adloq = Cure II when accounting for the Shield and Eos is free spam healing.

The RDM didn't replace the BLM and WHM nor sword users because those Jobs brought something to teh table that the RDM didn't, hence why it supplemented them rather than outright replaced them.
Do you really think the BLMs would get a place in XI parties if RDMs had the exact same offensive power in their spells while also providing healing and buffs? I think not.

That assumes a lot. A large part of why people avoid SCH+SCH right now is because Galvanize doesn't stack at all, so what makes you think AST shields will stack? Especially given that SE's response to SCH/SCH not stacking is to let one of them go pure heal? And we've already been told they don't have the throughput of the other two classes, so taking two healers who don't have throughput would be a bad idea.

And yet WHM+WHM is still allowed to stack.

The issue wouldn't be with the stacking of shields, its the ability to provide both shielding AND big heals at the same time.
It'd be like taking 2 WHMs and getting a free 9th slot SCH in your raid team.
You would have the ability to provide 2x large heals in addition to being able to suppress damage via shields when required.

If both ASTs stayed in WHM mode with one of them designated to switch to Barrier before any major AoEs to prep shields and then goes back to WHM Mode to provide those bursty heals, you essentially get 3 healers worth of healing in.

[Lillia]

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Honestly, SCH and WHM don't need all the potency they have to solo heal. People were able to solo heal stuff like Titan HM in darklight stages before people were even able to actually clear it the way they do now lol....

[Sylve]

Honestly, SCH and WHM don't need all the potency they have to solo heal. People were able to solo heal stuff like Titan HM in darklight stages before people were even able to actually clear it the way they do now lol....

Given that Titan HM has an ilvl req of 57 ... With 8 people that are overgearing the content AND know the content, It'd be kind of embarrassing if they couldn't solo heal it.

[Lillia]

Given that Titan HM has an ilvl req of 57 ... With 8 people that are overgearing the content AND know the content, It'd be kind of embarrassing if they couldn't solo heal it.

I said in darklight stages, that's not that high actually. Titan literally would almost wipe a lot of people with just stomps and healers had to know what they were doing but if the healer knew their class it was a breeze.

Anyways point is, that was suppose to be hard in those levels and it was a super big wall yet good healers were able to easily solo heal that without breaking a sweat. Just because Astro may end up being more complex doesn't mean they need all that potency in their general healing with HoT and their general healing with barriers to keep up on their own.

Another good example is coil; Cad healing in T1, healers would split heal one tank on both ends. Cad did super heavy DMG yet both heal roles were able to keep up fine. Astro possibly keep up just fine even if it had slightly lower potency just basing it off of what I know from current healers through these experiences and we honestly don't even know what the potency would be lowered by, that is if it's even lowered in the first place.

Lets also keep in mind that gear will be ILVL 170 by 60 and that means stats could be a super big jump from what we see now... I mean really... a BLM with 9k HP? Super big change imo.

[SDaemon]

I said in darklight stages, that's not that high actually. Titan literally would almost wipe a lot of people with just stomps and healers had to know what they were doing but if the healer knew their class it was a breeze.

Anyways point is, that was suppose to be hard in those levels and it was a super big wall yet good healers were able to easily solo heal that without breaking a sweat. Just because Astro may end up being more complex doesn't mean they need all that potency in their general healing with HoT and their general healing with barriers to keep up on their own.

By those levels I'd agree with AK/WP gear, but when you got into fullly equipped Darklight territory you started over-gearing Titan HM.

[Lillia]

By those levels I'd agree with AK/WP gear, but when you go into fullly equipped Darklight territory you started over-gearing Titan HM.

True but not by too much as he'd still do a bit of dmg to the point where you'd almost be dead with just that and with those plumes.... oh the plumes... those dodging days were 'fun.'

[SDaemon]

True but not by too much as he'd still do a bit of dmg and with those plumes.... oh the plumes... those dodging days were 'fun.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5g4TM1fkCg

Don't forget landslides!

[Lillia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5g4TM1fkCg

Don't forget landslides!

lol... xD

Is it bad that I actually giggle from that?

[lololink]

Just saying no they will be able to doesn't really help or explain anything... could I ask you to go further into your reasoning? :x

And to just explain what I see? I see two astro's being able to heal enough to get by but not better than WHMxSCH combo which means two astro healings would be with struggle in comparison to WHMxSCH and the only unique merit would be their cards. I personally would only be more concerned on matter of barrier stacking.

Together with either WHM or SCH I see them working a lot better because they can offer a nice card buff and then the affects the whm or sch's counterpart could offer in a miniature form e.g slightly weaker HoTs or Barriers.

Because if AST + WHM or SCH + AST is weaker than SCH + WHM then all the raid players will go SCH + WHM, just like how SMN and DRG were unwanted in the final Coil compared to the other jobs. It can be even slight weaker that players would not take them, a simple debuff such as dragon kick was enough to put dragon out of Coil for a while.

[jomoru]

dear anyone who does any 24 man raids 10% damage taken will always be on the mt's :3 sincerely someone who just wants to watch the world burn.

Just put it on a Dragoon, no one will notice.