A Different Way to Play

[DSaint]

Not trying to be rude, but I cant see ANY reason to someone go a specific class over your job.

War: Defiance.

Pld: Oaths.

Monk: Dragon kick, shoulder tackle, fist of fire.

Drg: JUMP, more JUMP, add dmg to JUMP. Oh, almost forgot: Backstep JUMP.

Nin: Mudras.

Brd: Songs.

Smn: Tri- disaster... lol, just kidding. Fester, enkindle.

Blm: Sorry, don't know how blm works.

Sch: If someone says he/she is a healer and arcanist >scholar........ '-'

Whm: Bene, lot of buffs.

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Well, you can do it for RP purposes or solo purposes, but in dungeons and general group content, if you using a class over your job, you are just underperforming.

If you doing something solo, its okay to go a class and take 10 slots of cross-class, specially with mrd, brd, whm and monk, since yours jobs skills are more oriented to group play. Otherwise, no, just no.

[BloodLines]

Not trying to be rude, but I cant see ANY reason to someone go a specific class over your job.

While classes are likely being phased out in 3.0, there are instances where classes currently outshine their job counterparts.
The most notable being marauder's ability to spike damage, particularly AoE damage. I would argue it has the highest AoE potential of anything in the game.
To get a sense of what I'm talking about, go gather a bunch of mobs, get maim up, pop berserk, internal release, b4b, raging strikes, and spam overpower until 500tp, pop invigorate and keep going. Look at your numbers, compare to dps jobs, then stop posting on the OF.

Utility as a MRD:
-Goad
-Perfect dodge (revelations, death sentence, flatten)

It has it's weaknesses but, if you can make MRD work in raid, and play to it's potential, it can be lethal and fun even.

I've played mrd in all the raid content the game has.

[DSaint]

While classes are likely being phased out in 3.0, there are instances where classes currently outshine their job counterparts.
most notable being marauder's ability to spike damage, particularly AoE damage. I would argue it has the highest AoE potential of anything in the game.
To get a sense of what I'm talking about, go gather a bunch of mobs, get maim up, pop berserk, internal release, b4b, raging strikes, and spam overpower until 500tp, pop invigorate and keep going. Look at your numbers, compare to dps jobs, then stop posting on the OF.

Utility as a MRD:
-Goad
-Perfect dodge (revelations, death sentence, flatten)

It has it's weaknesses but, if you can make MRD work in raid, and play to it's potential, it can be lethal and fun even.

I've played mrd in all the raid content the game has.

Do you reeeeeally think perfect dodge > Defiance and Berserker? Hmm... You have a problem.

Plus, you can't beat DRG, WHM and BLM aoe. Srry.
But don't be sad. You can fight against MNK and PLD for the last place, aoe wise.

Raging strike: 3min cd.
Perf. Dodge: 2 min cd.

Wow, so pro.

[RiceisNice]

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Blood for Blood and Raging Strikes on a marauder leads to a lot of burst dps potential. The soul crystal only accounts for 10 STR (compared to 30 STR/DEX for the dps classes) and you're exclusively losing only tanking abilties.

Strictly speaking for dpsing/off tank dpsing, marauder triumphs warrior in burst dps. Everywhere else though like actual tanking? lolno.

That being said though, marauder tanking is still feasible depending on some circumstances; I turn off defiance when I'm tanking dungeon bosses, though this is after I've done my initial unchained pull. I don't think I'd have trouble as a marauder unless the dps is going buck wild.

[DSaint]

Blood for Blood and Raging Strikes on a marauder leads to a lot of burst dps potential. The soul crystal only accounts for 10 STR (compared to 30 STR/DEX for the dps classes) and you're exclusively losing only tanking abilties.

Strictly speaking for dpsing/off tank dpsing, marauder triumphs warrior in burst dps. Everywhere else though like actual tanking? lolno.

That being said though, marauder tanking is still feasible depending on some circumstances; I turn off defiance when I'm tanking dungeon bosses, though this is after I've done my initial unchained pull. I don't think I'd have trouble as a marauder unless the dps is going buck wild.

If you turning off your defiance or going MRD while tanking, you are giving more trouble to your healer. Healer needs to stop dps to keep TWO eyes into you so u can RS every 3 minutes. Even worse if your healer is a scholar. Sch dps is gold. More than a 3 min cd buff.

I'm not saying War dps > Mrd dps. I'm just saying, for raid/group content, its not wise.
Btw, if your Mrd is just going for dps or aoe, I will gladly trade him for a DRG.

[RiceisNice]

If you turning off your defiance or going MRD while tanking, you are giving more trouble to your healer. Healer needs to stop dps to keep TWO eyes into you so u can RS every 3 minutes. Even worse if your healer is a scholar. Sch dps is gold. More than a 3 min cd buff.

I'm way overgeared even with the level sync for dungeons that a regen or fairy heal keeps me topped off anyway, alongside my selfheals and cooldowns. Heck, this is even the case for the low level dungeons. There honestly isn't alot of damage going out on the tank except for a few bosses. It's mostly party damage or avoidable damage.

[RiceisNice]

If you turning off your defiance or going MRD while tanking, you are giving more trouble to your healer. Healer needs to stop dps to keep TWO eyes into you so u can RS every 3 minutes. Even worse if your healer is a scholar. Sch dps is gold. More than a 3 min cd buff.

I'm not saying War dps > Mrd dps. I'm just saying, for raid/group content, its not wise.
Btw, if your Mrd is just going for dps or aoe, I will gladly trade him for a DRG.

Have fun trying to bring a fifth DPS if you need to use DF or doing ST.

Sure you're at the mercy of other tanks and hoping they won't be doing the asme thing as well, but this isnt the only time where party comps can screw you over (like double SCH on T13...)

[juniglee]

If you turning off your defiance or going MRD while tanking, you are giving more trouble to your healer. Healer needs to stop dps to keep TWO eyes into you so u can RS every 3 minutes. Even worse if your healer is a scholar. Sch dps is gold. More than a 3 min cd buff.

I'm not saying War dps > Mrd dps. I'm just saying, for raid/group content, its not wise.
Btw, if your Mrd is just going for dps or aoe, I will gladly trade him for a DRG.

While I generally do not agree with not using your job crystal in any circumstances, people HAVE used Marauders to great success in T8, back in the progression days. It's not really that unfeasible. In fact, think back to when some changes were made to PvP because Marauders were too strong in Frontlines.

If anything, I think it is the only class that could have been viable without its job crystal.

[BloodLines]

Do you reeeeeally think perfect dodge > Defiance and Berserker? Hmm... You have a problem.

Plus, you can't beat DRG, WHM and BLM aoe. Srry.
But don't be sad. You can fight against MNK and PLD for the last place, aoe wise.

Wow, so pro.

It's not that it is better for straight tanking, that is obviously not the case.
It's just a utility you can use in raid.
When I was doing prenerf t12 on mrd, I was able to perfect dodge the revelation which is nice since they are so spread out, the timer lines up perfectly.
It makes the defensive hindrance a bit easier to deal with and you can feel better about making that sacrifice for the dps gain.

As for the aoe, you've obviously never played the class, so I'm not sure why you're saying you have any idea where it would place.
I've seen these numbers, not thoroughly tested, but from what I've seen, it's gotta be at the top-end aoe game
So unless you're at least going to go try it out, pls move on~

Just cuz you can't, does't mean others can't.

[DSaint]

I've seen these numbers, not thoroughly tested, but from what I've seen, it's gotta be at the top-end aoe game

Oh, I see! Ok then...
I will not exactly "move on", but I will refrain to reply to you since its impossible to argue against "what you have seen".


Not tested... Right!