[To Devs] Transferring FC to upcoming EU datacenter

[Felis]

I have yet to have the opertunity to be presented with an EU server as an option, if i had i would allready have taken it. And so would everyone else that is waiting for the EU servers.

Seeing that the latency to NA servers are the same as to EU "recommended" servers, what prevented you from joining an EU "recommended" server from the start? What were the reasons and would be those reasons null if the EU servers are in europe?

[Fyce]

Ok first of all its not an EU server, its an Canadian server that has a world labeled recommended for european timezone users.

It doesn't take much brain power to think that if things were going to change and physical servers were to be created in the EU, they'd more likely move the "server(s) for EU people" in this new datacenter.

Knowing that, better be safe than sorry and move to said server when given the chance, even if the actual physical server is not in EU yet.

And, please, don't make it sounds like nobody ever expected that kind of things to change... with a MMO.

[VarinaVashai]

Seeing that the latency to NA servers are the same as to EU "recommended" servers, what prevented you from joining an EU "recommended" server from the start? What were the reasons and would be those reasons null if the EU servers are in europe?

well when i started playing XIV there was no such recommendations, as i started in the beta of FFXIV, i made relations with ppl there from all over the world.
And if you played FFXIV at its launch you would know that the datacenter back in 1.0 was in japan, and that upon the failure of said launch. A while after those worlds got merged. And with the announcement of ARR coming out with regional servers there was excitment until it was disclosed just before launch that there would be no EU server/datacenter. So since both NA and EU would be on the same datacenter in NA. PPL choose to play with ppl they had allready made relations with.

[Craiger]

Ok first of all its not an EU server, its an Canadian server that has a world labeled recommended for european timezone users. So when new players with no connection to the audience allready on a server, can choose a server that will remain lively during what is considered the time of day that is peak for the european >timezone<. This however does not make it an EU server. Its only an attempt to ensure a healthy lively population at a particular time of day, so that the new players are not face with a wasteland.

I have yet to have the opertunity to be presented with an EU server as an option, if i had i would allready have taken it. And so would everyone else that is waiting for the EU servers.

Now understand EU server, and Canada Server: EU timezone recommended world is not the same.

In every MMO that have dedicated servers in both NA and EU, you choice the area that you live in, or are closest to. If you buy FFXIV, and don't really bother with what world you play on... Why on earth would an EU player not choose the ones clearly stating "EU recommended"? and why would a NA player go to a server that is mainly meant for EU?

Everyone keep saying it's EU recommended because of the time zone... and yes, that's part of it, but anyone should be able to figure out that if there ever came a dedicated EU server, it would be for those EU recommended worlds.

You can make that decision if you like, but you can't then later complain about it.

[VarinaVashai]

It doesn't take much brain power to think that

It takes alot of mental gymnastics to think as such, considering just before the launch of ARR it was disclosed that EU/NA would be the same datacenter in NA. And after the release and the EU community complained about the latency issues, the response was that there was no problem by all the whiteknights and etc.
But SE has acknowledged that there is an issue and they are working on getting and EU datacenter "please look forward too it", until such time is near that they will acctually provide any information as too when we will get this long awaited datacenter. There is no practical reason to abandon the relations you have only to idle on another world located in NA.
Lets talk when there is acctually an EU SERVER located inside EUROPE with a date and specifics, rather then a lofty promise that was broken only to be ignored then promised again.

[VarinaVashai]

In every MMO that have dedicated servers in both NA and EU.

Yes lets compare it to MMO's that provide regional servers when the games are launched that is just like FFXIV ARR. Oh wait i forgot, its not the same.
Dedicated regional servers where promised back in FFXIV when they where talking about the relaunch, on launch we didnt get an EU one and it was said we wherent getting one ever!. And ive been on a server since 1.0, not everyone started in 2.0, if you have any concept of what friends are thats who most ppl remained with on an all around NA datacenter where latency on any world was just as bad for EU.

And an NA player would go to a EU timezone recommended world, because they themselves are active during that hour and possibly they have european friends. Just because you personaly would never consider it doesnt mean others wouldnt. Its called a broader perspective then that of your own.

[Fyce]

It takes alot of mental gymnastics to think as such[...]

Since v1 was a complete disaster and they had to rush like crazy to get 2.0 on the rails, it's very easy to think of why they only had two datacenters, one in Japan, one in Canada.
They had absolutly no idea if whether or not 2.0 was going to be successful.

So yes, I'll still say that from a player perspective it was very easy to anticipate how the situation could evolve from there. The chance of getting EU servers later on was high enough to consider a free transfer.

People just saw more value in the relations they had with NA people. That's their choice. Some people choose the other option and took the free transfer because playing on a same timezone was better for them and the chance of getting EU servers was appealing.

... But now the people who took the first option are regretting it and want another free "FC transfer" with no restriction just to get a better ping? Screw all these "relations" you made, right?
Come on...

Besides, there's actually a chance to see a new free transfer campaign. But asking for the "hey, can we transfer our 800+ FC with all the benefits plz?" is just absurd.

[Felis]

So since both NA and EU would be on the same datacenter in NA. PPL choose to play with ppl they had allready made relations with.

And is better latency, if the servers move to europe, a reason to left those relations behind?

[Peachy]

Well, that's completly SE's fault, because they made Sargatanas, which was EU during 1.0 version, into NA server when 2.0 launched for no reason. But it was irrelevant at that time - both EU and NA servers were in Canada and it was stated, that no other datacenters will be created. Now it is not the case. And I think SE should compensate it somehow.

Just because a group claims a server doesnt make it so. Sargatanas was not EU server, and what about the massive amount of NA players from the merge? They are screwed because a couple ppl claimed it as EU.. sure. It being an unofficial Eu server is news to me anyway. Its like assuming every person on balmung is there by choice and loves ERP.

[VarinaVashai]

And is better latency, if the servers move to europe, a reason to left those relations behind?

You're implying that they wouldnt move to the EU datacenter aswell. In case you're unaware there are several NA players that has a horrendous ping to Canada, and with the release of an EU datacenter some might even experience better ping or equal. So for now im not leaving anything behind, i would bring it with me.
And considering that the info was Regional datacenter for jp, na and eu on release of ARR, and that it went to JP and NA/EU just before release. Into there will not be an EU datacenter, and there is no issue. Moving further it is there is an issue we will work on an EU Datacenter. In all of this time lots of bagage has been created within the game by SE creation of FC etc, so if its a problem for them to move it. Its still a problem they have created.

But honestly it would have been better if the datacenter was in EU from the start, the NA dont mind latency its a non issue.
And considering everyone got free no restrictions move from FFXIV to ARR, wonder what the response would have been if the center had been in EU first. And then put restrictions on the NA moving from EU to NA.

You see the issue is that EU never got their fresh start with ARR within their region, only JP and NA. And when EU do get their own region, it should be the same deal as it was going from FFXIV to ARR. FC wasnt a thing back then, but thats an issue created by SE and solved by SE.