AH info lost in the sauce?

[Zoltan]

@Seif.

It's not bickering it's discussion that people obviously care about.

Discussion is needed because there are many different ways of implementing an AH and people would like to believe that SE reads these posts and that their opinion matters.

as far as overcrowding in front of AH windows, it easily solved by programming. Perhaps an auto logout if you are in the same spot for more than 20 minutes, or an AH booth every 20 feet on the merchant wards.

Any market or auction, vending system should have features that combat manipulation and lowballing. In its current state the MW rewards lowballers.

There must be price history and I would recommend price average of the last 100-200 sales. When there are no items available, there should be some indication of price if any had sold.

The MW system does not solve the RMT problem.

[Jennestia]

Yeah but in the past it was specifically mentioned, I was just wondering if they were still looking into it, or is it a back burner issue now.

All that was ever mentioned about an Auction House was analyzing/thinking, never actual implementation. (Only if they deemed it necessary to implement.)

[Zoltan]

It's necessary.

[Shyd]

Must be: "Help me scrape the mucus off my brain" or "Pork roll and egg cheese" ??

"Waving my D*** In the Wind"

[AlexNiculaie]

I wouldn't expect any further information on AH/ MW info until after 1.21. They made it very clear it was a back burner issue, therefore information on it will be low priority.

[UllrHellfire]

With that huge chunk of info and future planned changes I noticed that the AH wasn't mentioned at all. Whether they're still looking into it, or if the idea was scrapped. Most other major letters from the producer mention the AH in some form or another but it was absent this around. Can we get some light info on this?

Oh and also mail and storage system. What's going on there, there was a rep response on storage a few months ago saying there was going to info on it soon, wasn't there?

This follows right under the Linkshell Systems the " We will get to it but we have other issues atm Server and battle UI wise" supposably there is Monster amounts of info about lost in the fourms - That every one is " To lazy to find " It's the simple faq that it's getting ignored~ a " we are looking into is auto response is not going to work for much longer... It's the details such as these we really need to get togethe rand as for a major fix.. not thread about thi sminor bs.. like.. colors or water UI or a damn chocobo name.. let's get real and get some real answers that is the point of haveing dev RE:'s Is it not?

[UllrHellfire]

This bickering is totally uncalled for. Yoshida promised an AH the poll states that players want it. No further discussion needed. SE just needs to walk the walk instead of giving empty promises.

When 20 guys asked for a sexy outfit they got bikinis within weeks. SE says they're prioritizing important gameplay elements first but after the battle system I can't think of anything more harmful to this game than the lack of an AH and thus the lack of working economy.

It affects every aspect of the game. Farming, crafting, questing, leve choises grind areas everything.

I agree 100% they need to handle the real issues here.

[Aerycat]

@Seif.

It's not bickering it's discussion that people obviously care about.

Discussion is needed because there are many different ways of implementing an AH and people would like to believe that SE reads these posts and that their opinion matters.

as far as overcrowding in front of AH windows, it easily solved by programming. Perhaps an auto logout if you are in the same spot for more than 20 minutes, or an AH booth every 20 feet on the merchant wards.

Any market or auction, vending system should have features that combat manipulation and lowballing. In its current state the MW rewards lowballers.

There must be price history and I would recommend price average of the last 100-200 sales. When there are no items available, there should be some indication of price if any had sold.

The MW system does not solve the RMT problem.

If you do that auto-logout, I foresee ppl complaining "OMG SE Booted me for browsing items too long!" Or realistically, it's not possible to tell if you're a bot automatically bidding on items on every minute interval, OR a real person browsing items every minute interval. How do you distinguish between the two ? How do you decide who to boot, and who not to boot ? Either way, there WILL be people complaining that they're booted. I guess the second option works - having more booth / AH points. If AH gets implemented then it'd be good to have that.

Also please note, I'm referring to botting, by anyone. Not restricted to RMTs, common misconception is ONLY RMT break the rules - that's not true. Looking at a bigger picture, a normal player can easily monopolize an item / price fixing if he's wealthy enough - not necessarily an RMT. WITH a bot, he doesn't need to worry about not being able to buy an item outside his play time, his bot will make sure he's going to buy the item using a reasonable preset bid / within range pricing even when he's sleeping. That's unfair advantage.

What MW CAN do right now, is to deter that kind of automation. Unless someone can show me a bot which is able to automatically buy an item off a Market ward, I would say it's currently impossible to do.

I'm all for AH if they can achieve the same thing and ensuring that I can buy whatever the hell I want, and if someone beat me to it, they need to make damn sure that it's a real life person making that purchase and not some automated script automatically bidding on the items that I need. Then I would say I lost fair and square.

Another thing I can assure you however, if you put a system that can buy everything in one spot and dealing only through point and click menus, a script can be easily written to handle that.

[Nixius]

listed histories for prices can be heavily abused by RMT.

Ahh but Cairdeas, that could just as easily have been done by none RMT too =P. Anyone player could currently buy up all items from retainers and start selling them at 10x the price in a weeks time, without a bidding history.

Part of supply and demand is if the item is too overpriced then they won't sell and they will become cheaper until people are willing to pay the amount. Once the items dry up again they creep up in price etc etc. If an item is worth 200K to someone, regardless if it was 10K last week then people will buy it for 200K. Although I do sympathise with the 'abuse' of the system is that not just part of economics? Forgive my ignorance otherwise =).

Maybe everyone wants an FFXI-style AH just because it is familiar to a lot of people and it is still thought by many as a better implementation than the current system. Whether or not that system is ideal for FF14 in its entirety is indeed debatable.

I guess we have generalised on peoples opinions, maybe SE could have some kind of poll to end doubt to what AuctionHouse/MarketWard changes the majority of people really want.

I don't care for realism or actual bidding-wars, I just want to be able to browse gear by optimal rank, for my current class and buy it. Let's just hope whatever happens that SE do something clever that everyone can get along with.

[Seif]

If you do that auto-logout, I foresee ppl complaining "OMG SE Booted me for browsing items too long!" Or realistically, it's not possible to tell if you're a bot automatically bidding on items on every minute interval, OR a real person browsing items every minute interval. How do you distinguish between the two ? How do you decide who to boot, and who not to boot ? Either way, there WILL be people complaining that they're booted. I guess the second option works - having more booth / AH points. If AH gets implemented then it'd be good to have that.

Also please note, I'm referring to botting, by anyone. Not restricted to RMTs, common misconception is ONLY RMT break the rules - that's not true. Looking at a bigger picture, a normal player can easily monopolize an item / price fixing if he's wealthy enough - not necessarily an RMT. WITH a bot, he doesn't need to worry about not being able to buy an item outside his play time, his bot will make sure he's going to buy the item using a reasonable preset bid / within range pricing even when he's sleeping. That's unfair advantage.

What MW CAN do right now, is to deter that kind of automation. Unless someone can show me a bot which is able to automatically buy an item off a Market ward, I would say it's currently impossible to do.

I'm all for AH if they can achieve the same thing and ensuring that I can buy whatever the hell I want, and if someone beat me to it, they need to make damn sure that it's a real life person making that purchase and not some automated script automatically bidding on the items that I need. Then I would say I lost fair and square.

Another thing I can assure you however, if you put a system that can buy everything in one spot and dealing only through point and click menus, a script can be easily written to handle that.

I think most people "in the know" knowledge the fact that AH system has nothing to do with actual bidding like e-bay. That would be really horrible.

People just want to buy stuff and keep playing the game.