Dismissed players rejoining the same party

[BreathlessTao]

Here's another issue that's been mentioned / talked about so many times on here, yet has never even received a moderator acknowledgement, much less anything from the dev team. :| /sigh

[Duuude007]

Here's another issue that's been mentioned / talked about so many times on here, yet has never even received a moderator acknowledgement, much less anything from the dev team. :| /sigh

Largely because there are victims and abusers on both sides of the coin. No clear winner when you punish one group of players over the other.

[Nobey_Nob]

Largely because there are victims and abusers on both sides of the coin. No clear winner when you punish one group of players over the other.

So because they can't help anyone being vote kick out for no reason they should do nothing to help the people who have to deal with a troll healer or tank that keeps rejoining?
The logic that if you cannot help the victims of both side, you should do nothing and help no one is inherently flawed.

[sirDarts]

Largely because there are victims and abusers on both sides of the coin. No clear winner when you punish one group of players over the other.

Tbh if I get kicked by trolls, I'd rather not be put into their group again, once I requeue.

[LineageRazor]

Tbh if I get kicked by trolls, I'd rather not be put into their group again, once I requeue.

THIS.

If I'm the victim of an unfair kick (and, to be honest, I never have been kicked, fairly or not), when I requeue I wouldn't WANT to be put back into the same party as the abusive kickers. Why would I want to be? So I can troll them in revenge? That hardly seems like a good reason to allow it.

Removing the chance to be added to a group you were kicked from seems to be a good thing all around.

[Duuude007]

Tbh if I get kicked by trolls, I'd rather not be put into their group again, once I requeue.

Spent an hour in WoD only to be kicked by trolls right before last boss. IDK about you but I feel I earned my chance to get loot/tomes.

But instead you demand that SE makes it so the trolls win.

mmkay.

Is it too much just to not requeue for a bit, so they can't requeue with you? If they were that bad, the party would likely be much better even minus 1 member, yes?

[LineageRazor]

Spent an hour in WoD only to be kicked by trolls right before last boss. IDK about you but I feel I earned my chance to get loot/tomes.

But instead you demand that SE makes it so the trolls win.

mmkay.

Is it too much just to not requeue for a bit, so they can't requeue with you? If they were that bad, the party would likely be much better even minus 1 member, yes?

But instead you demand that SE makes leaves it the same so the trolls win.

mmkay.

This very thread is clearly documenting the trolls winning, under the current system.

It's frankly nonsensical for players to be able to rejoin a party they've been dismissed from. What's the point of even having a dismiss option, if the person you dismiss isn't actually dismissed unless they, themselves, choose to stay out?

In your example, you beat the trolls by rejoining the instance, which feels mighty good. Huzzah! Presumably, you had to continue beating them at least three more times, presuming that the trolls were unified and the same people who voted to dismiss you took turns initiating the vote until they ran out. While awesome, in this case, do you honestly believe that the current system was deliberately built with that kind of solution in mind? If you do believe that, you're out of your mind. It was clearly an oversight - a loophole which you've managed to take advantage of to defeat trolls, but ALSO one that trolls have taken advantage of to better harass players.

Whether used for good or for ill, the purpose of vote dismissal is to remove someone from the group. If it is not doing that, then it is failing in its function and needs to be repaired. OR, if it is truly the case that it's more often going to be used by trolls than for legitimate reasons, it needs to be removed altogether. This half-assed vote dismissal simply isn't cutting it.

[Duuude007]

This very thread is clearly documenting the trolls winning, under the current system.

I see, so which set of trolls should SE favor? Because the trolls you are complaining about, you, as the party member have the power to block in their tracks of instant rejoining. Hey now, you (the legitimate purpose kicker) can still win in the modus operandi.

Under your so-called ideal scenario, any and every troll related kick would result in the troll winning. No exceptions. Not only are they protected from reports by vote kick being anonymous to the recipient of the kick, but, like cattle, people tend to vote yes if they see a yes/no prompt.

TLDR: The system may be flawed, even broken, but please dont spray lighter fluid on the fire. we need a better solution.

EDIT: Been brainstorming with some friends on this very matter, and an idea did surface that I think is worth consideration.

Rather than a blanket block like OP is suggesting, if the blacklist system were expanded to encompass the entire data center, and df players simply are incapable of queueing with a player on anothers' blacklist.

Yes, its an extra step the person may need to take, but it would have very reliable results to fit their needs, on a case by case basis, instead of having SE implement a change that permanently legitimizes troll kicking without any fear of repercussion. Which would be a consequence of implementing OP's suggestion.

[LineageRazor]

EDIT: Been brainstorming with some friends on this very matter, and an idea did surface that I think is worth consideration.

Rather than a blanket block like OP is suggesting, if the blacklist system were expanded to encompass the entire data center, and df players simply are incapable of queueing with a player on anothers' blacklist.

Yes, its an extra step the person may need to take, but it would have very reliable results to fit their needs, on a case by case basis, instead of having SE implement a change that permanently legitimizes troll kicking without any fear of repercussion. Which would be a consequence of implementing OP's suggestion.

I think this is a great idea - but am honestly puzzled as to why you were the one to suggest it, as it utterly defeats what you earlier posted as the BENEFITS of the current system: the ability to rejoin a group you've been unfairly kicked from.

By using this blacklist system, if someone wants to troll-kick you from a dungeon, all they have to do is blacklist you first. Bam, you're out, and you can't rejoin because someone in the group has you on blacklist. The example you mentioned, where you rejoined a WoD run that you'd been unfairly kicked from - that wouldn't have worked, under your blacklist system.

So, yeah, I agree, this is an okay solution to the problem. It ensures that vote dismiss actually fulfills the purpose for which it was intended (to remove a member from the party, for whatever reason), and even allows for the possibility of letting a person who was dismissed to rejoin if the other party members have nothing against that person (you wouldn't be likely to blacklist someone when you kick them for being disconnected, for instance).

I don't see, though, how this improves the problem you seemed most concerned about: trolls kicking people for lulz or for profit. With blacklist, they'd be even more powerful than they are now.