The whole Summoner "has been re-worked" is sad

[Nestama]

I mean this genuinely without playing dumb, but are we not using the same words to describe a class where evoke and summon are both valid terms to use when referring to a class called Summoner?

As already cited Summoner is essentially meddling with primal essences and in 2.0 the main way was by manifestation of Egi's. However not to get spoilerific but throughout the main story line quest we've discovered new ways of manipulating this energy and the upgrades in 3.0 might actually just be an evolution of Summoner to a different direction (perhaps one thats not popular with some), but I personally thinks its an interesting slant on the class.

Oh I'm fine with how SMN is going to turn out to be in HW, I'm just being nit picky with words.
And trying to make reference to FFIII's Evoker Job (which isn't exactly the same as channelling Bahamut's essence. Evokers could summon, but the Summon would either use 'Black Magic' or 'White Magic').

[Natsuno]

their arguement is you are using an enemy skill, and no ahk morn is ff14 orginal.

Thankies. <3

If they insist on one spell belonging to Blue Mage, then they have to apply the same logic across the board to all skills that enemies possess that PCs can also use, imo.

[Dyvid]

No you guys are right, BLM summons Flare, WHM summons Holy, and BRD summons a song. Everyone gets a summon XD

Akh Morn is a nuke, not a summon. Let me know when you guys can accept it for what it really is.

[Musashidon]

No you guys are right, BLM summons Flare, WHM summons Holy, and BRD summons a song. Everyone gets a summon XD

Akh Morn is a nuke, not a summon. Let me know when you guys can except it for what it really is.

yes because blm summons bahamut to use flare, whm summons alexander to holy and brd summons siren to use songs.

irrelevant comment is irrelevant.

what you're saying is in all FF that isn't 10 or 11 or 13 summons aren't summons just nukes. great logic.

[FelixWindwright]

I was thinking along the same channels too Nestama! (excuse the awful pun) I think problem is and this isn't aimed at yourself, but people are hanging onto parts of new information and not on the whole picture.

Tri-Disaster as we know it will become Tri-bind, however Tri-Disaster is about to become a Triple DoT application skill to cut out the "charge up" feeling when engaging an enemy. People are focusing on "renaming" rather on what's being added. I see some level of understanding for Blue Magic, but as Natsuno states if we were to apply this logic on all skills then we'd all be super Blue Mages!

SE have obviously tried to plow some exciting stuff into SMN and to see it being torn apart by some with emotionally reasoned logic rather than some objectivity. It doesn't make for a good outcome. It's great people are passionate, but lets not grab the torches, instead lets embrace the tools we've been given and use the class as meant not as people view in a perfect world.

No you guys are right, BLM summons Flare, WHM summons Holy, and BRD summons a song. Everyone gets a summon XD

Akh Morn is a nuke, not a summon. Let me know when you guys can accept it for what it really is.

Dyvid, on a final note might I recommend you take your own advice and accept SMN for what it really is?

[Nalien]

Would be great if we had a spell... "Swift Summon" where we could instant-cast draw a new Summon out without exhausting our Swiftcast (also, SSummon would be on a much shorter CD).

They could have done one of two things IMO;

• Make it so the Summon spells actually do something more than just summoning the Egi. A temporary short buff, the Egi does an attack as it's summoned. Whatever, something to make the cast time worthwhile.
• Change that "Enhanced Pet Actions" to "20% chance of next summon spell being instant when pet deals critical damage or restores critical HP".

All they'd need to do then is give each Egi its own small rotation and make it so the pets cooldowns aren't all shared (Ifrit-Egi puts his Lv30 skill on cooldown, if you summon Garuda-Egi her Lv30 skill will be on cooldown). Done. Rather than tossing out Garuda/Ifrit-Egi and micromanaging their skills and instead having Summoner be more about nuking, you're tossing out Ifrit-Egi, doing your DoTs, then tossing out Titan-Egi, doing you DoTs, etc etc.

Oh look. I just made Summoner that summons throughout the fight, rather than tossing out one Egi and nuking the rest of the fight.

I think the annoying thing with this is that, from the sounds of it, that's how Machinist is kinda going to work with regards to its pet. Machinist I expect to toss out a single turret and maintain it through the fight... I think I'll just play Machinist, wait for Free Company Summoning to finally leave development purgatory and just pretend it's Summoner, Final Fantasy Unlimited style.

[SirDiscoFrog]

SE have obviously tried to plow some exciting stuff into SMN and to see it being torn apart by some with emotionally reasoned logic rather than some objectivity. It doesn't make for a good outcome. It's great people are passionate, but lets not grab the torches, instead lets embrace the tools we've been given and use the class as meant not as people view in a perfect world.

[Dyvid]

Dyvid, on a final note might I recommend you take your own advice and accept SMN for what it really is?

I did that long ago when I first started playing SMN in beta. It is or was a pet class that uses DoTs. Now in 3.0 we got a nuke and the ability to cast the 3 prime DoTs at the cost of a Fester. Nothing that is making me squeal with joy. But it is what it is and if it's no longer fun to play for me then i'll back up my books and find another job I guess. Sucks I just finished Zodiac Brave quest in prep for 3.0 too.

[SummonerSenah]

I haven't seen anyone bring it up yet, but I'm curious about the new Tri- Disaster and how it's going to work re: duration. Bio, Bio 2, and Miasma all have different durations.

[Nuinn]

Thanks everyone who responded to my confusion about Akh Morn. I guess I can see it looks kinda cool white light and all o_o *scratches head*