The whole Summoner "has been re-worked" is sad

[Seig345]

What if Carbuncle was the only pet summon (with different versions for the purposes the egis serve), and instead summoners summon Ifrit/Garuda/Titan/Leviathan/etc as one-off spells with a brief (as in a few seconds), miniaturized version of the full primal's avatar with verious spell effects, like in the earlier final fantasy titles? The egis, to me, have always seemed like a sad attempt to shoehorn Summoner into the game without making them either OP or without having a bunch of summon clutter running around.

This has probably already been asked, there's probably some fundamental flaw in it, I haven't exactly brainstormed over it or anything, but it seems like it'd bring Summoner back to what it used to be. Merging with Bahamut really does seem more like a Blue Mage thing.

[Dyvid]

Sorry but it takes more to impress me than shiny things. Giving SMN blue magic it call it a fix is laughable.

[Musashidon]

Sorry but it takes more to impress me than shiny things. Giving SMN blue magic it call it a fix is laughable.

yes a summoner using bahamut to use his skill is blue magic. XD

[Belhi]

Considering that we haven't actually seen the new lvl 60 SMN rotation in action its a little early to claim how much modification the core gameplay has undergone. We don't even know all the new abilities SMN has. We have only seen overviews. We know there won't be new Egis but the current Egis will have new abilities and updates. We know SMN gameplay will involve using two forms of Aetherflow and we know one of those is the traditional form and one is the Bahamut one. We know that they will get a spell that casts all three dots at once.

That's mostly it. People are making a lot of assumptions.

As for the summoner channeling Bahamut, this is something summoners are established to do ingame already. Remember the last fight in the SMN quests? This is just an aspect of the FF14 SMN that players haven't had access to yet that already existed.

[FelixWindwright]

Can we maybe stop calling the evoking of Bahamuts power Blue Magic... because as far as I'm aware your channeling Primal power... which is kinda the object of a Summoner no?

Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong

[Ceodore]

Can you point out what tweaks exactly make my class more viable and able to do more damage? You mean to tell my mana issues are now fixed? My suicidal pet that wants to die or attack random enemies iam not attacking is covered? My sub par aoe dps is covered?

Lets see check list

Bahamut Ghost face - check
Druids Moonfire - check
Tri-disaster being renamed to Tri-Bind - check

Oh I must have been blind, this fixes everything, what do I know what Iam talking about.

Oh wait Scholars getting shell and they still whine! (see I can do that too)

No you are being completely unreasonable on purpose. Go make a video of keeper of the lake where you are not spending half of your time using move and sustain to desperately keep your egi alive instead of trying to keep yourself alive and keeping your damage rotation up.

You are being lazy and making up excuses (see how easy that is?)

Yes "excuses", let me put my dunce cap on.

Oh wait, terrible game design where I have constantly micro manage my suicidal pet at all times is engaging gameplay! How could I possibly want more as a summoner! Oh wait iam getting a bahamaut face and a beam of light! WE HAVE IT ALL FOLKS

BEST JOB EVER, I can see it now, people must be lining up to re-roll

You sound like you're lazy, a bad player, and unable to use the tools you are given. There are several work arounds for the things you are describing (Some that might actually bend the ToS rules, but are ultimately unnoticeable). For placement issues. You don't have to use your mouse to click on "Place" then move the mouse to where you want to place the pet. Put place on your hot bar and then move the mouse to where you want the pet to be, press the hot bar then click the mouse button. Oooo... so simple. I won't go into the work arounds that bend the ToS rules, because they don't actually break any rules, but they are best kept secrets that can give an advantage *cough*third party razor synapse macro software*cough*

That's besides the fact though. You just sound like you are lazy, unwilling to learn, unable to multi-task, and frankly, like you shouldn't play any MMO ever if THIS class is what you consider difficult. Your pets take reduced damage from AOEs. They are completely immune to many wipe skills, they can be ordered to attack with pet macros, the can be interrupted with the macros. This isn't hard. You just flat out don't know how to play your class.

TL;DR...

[Seig345]

You sound like you're lazy, a bad player, and unable to use the tools you are given. There are several work arounds for the things you are describing (Some that might actually bend the ToS rules, but are ultimately unnoticeable). For placement issues. You don't have to use your mouse to click on "Place" then move the mouse to where you want to place the pet. Put place on your hot bar and then move the mouse to where you want the pet to be, press the hot bar then click the mouse button. Oooo... so simple. I won't go into the work arounds that bend the ToS rules, because they don't actually break any rules, but they are best kept secrets that can give an advantage *cough*third party razor synapse macro software*cough* [...]

A work around, by definition, implies that there's a problem to, well, "work around". If you're having to use a third party software just to achieve the baseline on gameplay, there's something wrong with the game.

[SirDiscoFrog]

As for the summoner channeling Bahamut, this is something summoners are established to do ingame already. Remember the last fight in the SMN quests? This is just an aspect of the FF14 SMN that players haven't had access to yet that already existed.

That's actually a very good point.

Belias was absorbed by Tristan and he continued the fight using new powers gained from Beilas.(whoops used quote instead of spoiler tag lol)

A version of that could easily be the Dreadwyrm Trance where we allow the primal energies used to form the egis to inhabit us. There is of course also Lady Iceheart as a good example of this although she takes it to another level, as well as the Odin lore. And since of course we need to defeat the primal to summon it, this would be the next best thing for primals that are not in the story or considered too powerful to weild (i.e. the elder primals, possibly Alexander too since hes a whole raid and not just a simple primal lol)

[Dyvid]

Can we maybe stop calling the evoking of Bahamuts power Blue Magic... because as far as I'm aware your channeling Primal power... which is kinda the object of a Summoner no?

Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong

"In times immemorial, there lived mages who had not only the power to summon the primals, but also the means to transmute the primals' essences, thus binding them to their will." Blue Magic is spell that cast an enemy skills. Akh Morn is an enemy skill. You not summoning Bahamut Egi so it's blue magic. Even in the Belias fight, Tristan still absorbs the Egi to power himself up, key being there was an Egi on the field.

[Ceodore]

A work around, by definition, implies that there's a problem to, well, "work around". If you're having to use a third party software just to achieve the baseline on gameplay, there's something wrong with the game.

It's not that there's necessarily a problem when there's a work around. It's just that there is an easier way to do things than the method that most people use. For me, it's macros. A third party program like Razor's Synapse Macro system isn't against ToS as it doesn't let me play without being present. All it does is allows me to bind two key commands to one button. In this case, I use a macro from Razer's Macros Synapse (And I remind you, this software comes with every razer device, and is used by gamers around the world) to have one key press the hot bar button where I have put Place and then less than a second later, perform a left click. Simple one click function for placing your pet.