The whole Summoner "has been re-worked" is sad

[Gamer3427]

I've just realized that this is a perfect example of how the internet will complain over anything. People don't like the fact that SMN is "too weak" and yet they complain when it gets abilities that boost it's damage capabilities. People don't like the way that the egis look but then complain when it's announced that there are future plans for egi glamouring rather than introducing new raw summons. People don't like the way SMN plays yet continue to play it when they have plenty of other classes to choose from....

Personally I don't see the problem. Yea, SMN may not have as many summons as other FF games, but it still has more than any class that isn't a SMN. Not to mention that in a lot of those games the SMNs either have severe time/MP restrictions, take away either the SMN or the entire party, or are one off cutscenes that do high damage. I personally can't see any of those really working here. If we had the time restrictions then people would complain that it's just a short buff instead of "true summoning". If it replaced the player and they controlled it, then it would be pointless to have any skills that weren't summoning because you would never leave your summoned form unless it was on a time limit, in which case refer to the last sentence. And if it was just a cutscene effect/one off attack, then people would also complain because it would either be too weak, too powerful, or have too long of a cooldown.....

The point is, people are going to complain no matter what. They're also going to be asking for more no matter how much is given them. If you don't like what you've been offered then play a different class. There's plenty to choose from.....

[Edellis]

People argue the way Egi's function based on how summons worked in Final Fantasy's history...but it's hard to think of another Final Fantasy where summons were so immensely important to the storyline. The closest one i can remember was FFX, where summoners were super rare, or in FF8 where they were directly used by the military. Even in FFXII, one of the most grounded FF ever made, they didn't play a significant role in the plot.


People criticizing summoner based on this, in a game where not only the act of summoning is a plot point, but the entities themselves are directly driving the events of the story and vehemently hate you...I really don't know what you're looking for. Yes, you should probably just play a different class. It flies in the face of the whole premise of FFXIV.

[Ceodore]

I am pleased with the changes. Love summoner. It's my 4th favorite job, soon to be 5th with addition of Dark Knight because tanks are my favorite by default and scholar is right after that.

[Khaoticsuccubus]

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People argue the way Egi's function based on how summons worked in Final Fantasy's history...but it's hard to think of another Final Fantasy where summons were so immensely important to the storyline. The closest one i can remember was FFX, where summoners were super rare, or in FF8 where they were directly used by the military. Even in FFXII, one of the most grounded FF ever made, they didn't play a significant role in the plot.




People criticizing summoner based on this, in a game where not only the act of summoning is a plot point, but the entities themselves are directly driving the events of the story and vehemently hate you...I really don't know what you're looking for. Yes, you should probably just play a different class. It flies in the face of the whole premise of FFXIV.

Uh. Just to point out some more off the top of my head. There's ff6 where the main character was a hybrid esper (summon) human and the whole esper genacide thing and ff9 where most the plot revolves around the summons and garnets connection to them and her mother using them and her to conquer/ kill other kingdoms.

[Nalien]

People criticizing summoner based on this, in a game where not only the act of summoning is a plot point, but the entities themselves are directly driving the events of the story and vehemently hate you...I really don't know what you're looking for. Yes, you should probably just play a different class. It flies in the face of the whole premise of FFXIV.

That's why Summoner doesn't summon Primals though, it summons Egis.

Except it doesn't summon Egis. It summons an Egi and that Egi is the only thing it'll ever really summon, instead of having it so we cycle through Egis like every other Job cycles through its rotation.

[Yuri_Hyuga]

That's why Summoner doesn't summon Primals though, it summons Egis.

Except it doesn't summon Egis. It summons an Egi and that Egi is the only thing it'll ever really summon, instead of having it so we cycle through Egis like every other Job cycles through its rotation.

Would be great if we had a spell... "Swift Summon" where we could instant-cast draw a new Summon out without exhausting our Swiftcast (also, SSummon would be on a much shorter CD).

It could cost 1 Aetherflow, be separated from the GCD. Then, we'd just need more finely established niches/roles for the Egi's... it'd be awesome to have more of a reason to use Titan Egi in group content. Like maybe it can be a "supportive off-offtank" where it can soak some damage for the chosen target & lay down minor, temporary mitigation field(s). Garuda for single-target & Ifrit for multi-target. Something along those lines.

[Galand]

Channeling Bahamuts power...ok

So you click "Bahamut Stance" you see his face flash for a split second showing that you changed stances, now you have a handful of direct damage abilities to use.

How are people going ga-ga over this?

Does it sound cool yes, but its not like were going to be turning into a 1000 foot dragon, or grow wings or anything.

I can deal with no new egis, whatever, just make them better, do you know how many times my garuda dies during the final boss of keeper of the lake, or any other intense fight for that matter? Yes I also have to stop my rotation to sit there and spam the pet heal and use physick to keep my egis up, its just dumb.

They said they were going to "rework" summoners, they changed a spell's name and called it a day.

[Ceodore]

Channeling Bahamuts power...ok

So you click "Bahamut Stance" you see his face flash for a split second showing that you changed stances, now you have a handful of direct damage abilities to use.

How are people going ga-ga over this?

Does it sound cool yes, but its not like were going to be turning into a 1000 foot dragon, or grow wings or anything.

It's this...

[Nuinn]

It's this...

I must be missing something but, why is everyone hyped about that spell? o_O

[Valoiz]

I must be missing something but, why is everyone hyped about that spell? o_O

Cuz ppl is dumb and/or love shiny lights... i just c a stupid pillar of light